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The EU has been completely bonkers for the last few years. Just staggeringly stupid policy I mean look at them literally banning encryption and then this I'm c

The EU has been completely bonkers for the last few years. Just staggeringly stupid policy I mean look at them literally banning encryption and then this I'm confused but the ppl running the eu are more confused

amznthrwaway 5y ago
> I mean look at them literally banning encryption This did not happen. Only extremely stupid people who uncritically swallowed extremely dishonest headlines without further research believe it did. Thank you for letting us know you're a fucking idiot.
TazeTSchnitzel 5y ago
How much EU policy have you actually paid attention to? Only the exciting (bad) proposals make headlines.
js8 5y ago
The EU (especially the Eurozone) was designed when neoliberal paradigm was in fashion (1980s-1990s). That's why currently its core institutions are less democratic than they should be.
- muyuu 5y ago
  an ivory tower style structure like that of the EU can only end up on fascism, communism or an equivalently authoritarian system
- sharken 5y ago
  That is a very generous interpretation of the EUs action in this matter. If the proposal regarding "pleasure" flights stands, then the EU is no better than UEFA or IOC. Is that really the message that the EU wants to send i wonder. It also reflects poorly on Slovenia that is currently holding the presidency, but i suspect they don't really care. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presidency_of_the_Council_of_the_European_Union https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presidency_of_the_Council_of... EDIT: Having read another source it doesn't seem clear that pleasure flights are exempt. https://www.transportenvironment.org/sites/te/files/publications/2020_06_Study_for_TE_Taxing_aviation_fuel_final.PDF https://www.transportenvironment.org/sites/te/files/publicat...
- yokaze 5y ago
  I would say the main deciding factor for that was the rejection of the Treaty for Establishing a Constitution for Europe (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_establishing_a_Constitution_for_Europe https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_establishing_a_Constitu...), which would have given the European Parliament far more power, in plebiscites in Belgium and France, causing other countries to bail on theirs.
AnssiH 5y ago
They didn't ban or plan to ban encryption, that was just a super misleading headline / article. It wasn't even a proposal or a draft, just research into what are possible options to fight child pornography online. And I'd rather they do their research than implement random stuff. I've noticed there's a recent trend of grossly mispresenting this stuff in the worst possible light. It seems if any EU whitepaper even just mentions encryption it somehow gets twisted into EU encryption ban being imminent. I urge people to always read or at least glance at the actual documents when claims about new laws/proposals/etc. seem outrageous.

amznthrwaway 5y ago

> I mean look at them literally banning encryption This did not happen. Only extremely stupid people who uncritically swallowed extremely dishonest headlines without further research believe it did. Thank you for letting us know you're a fucking idiot.

TazeTSchnitzel 5y ago

How much EU policy have you actually paid attention to? Only the exciting (bad) proposals make headlines.

js8 5y ago

The EU (especially the Eurozone) was designed when neoliberal paradigm was in fashion (1980s-1990s). That's why currently its core institutions are less democratic than they should be.

muyuu 5y ago
an ivory tower style structure like that of the EU can only end up on fascism, communism or an equivalently authoritarian system
sharken 5y ago
That is a very generous interpretation of the EUs action in this matter. If the proposal regarding "pleasure" flights stands, then the EU is no better than UEFA or IOC. Is that really the message that the EU wants to send i wonder. It also reflects poorly on Slovenia that is currently holding the presidency, but i suspect they don't really care. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presidency_of_the_Council_of_the_European_Union https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presidency_of_the_Council_of... EDIT: Having read another source it doesn't seem clear that pleasure flights are exempt. https://www.transportenvironment.org/sites/te/files/publications/2020_06_Study_for_TE_Taxing_aviation_fuel_final.PDF https://www.transportenvironment.org/sites/te/files/publicat...
yokaze 5y ago
I would say the main deciding factor for that was the rejection of the Treaty for Establishing a Constitution for Europe (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_establishing_a_Constitution_for_Europe https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_establishing_a_Constitu...), which would have given the European Parliament far more power, in plebiscites in Belgium and France, causing other countries to bail on theirs.

AnssiH 5y ago

They didn't ban or plan to ban encryption, that was just a super misleading headline / article. It wasn't even a proposal or a draft, just research into what are possible options to fight child pornography online. And I'd rather they do their research than implement random stuff. I've noticed there's a recent trend of grossly mispresenting this stuff in the worst possible light. It seems if any EU whitepaper even just mentions encryption it somehow gets twisted into EU encryption ban being imminent. I urge people to always read or at least glance at the actual documents when claims about new laws/proposals/etc. seem outrageous.