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* They both process source code as input. * They both produce software as output. * They both transform their input. * They both can combine different works

* They both process source code as input. * They both produce software as output. * They both transform their input. * They both can combine different works to create a derivative work of each work. (Compilers do this with optimizations, especially inlining with link-time optimization.) They really do the same things, and yet, we say that the output of compilers is still under the license that the source code had. Why not Copilot?

jeremyjh 5y ago
> Why not Copilot? Because the sources used for input do not belong to the person operating the tool. If you say that doesn't matter, then you are saying open source licenses don't matter because the same thing applies - I could just run a tool (compiler) on someone else's code, and ignore the terms of their license when I redistribute the binary.
- ghoward 5y ago
  I think you have what I am saying backwards. I am saying that the licenses should apply to the output of Copilot, like they apply to the output of compilers.
  - jeremyjh 5y ago
    Oh sorry, my mistake! Thank you.
- hedora 5y ago
  No, I think that’s the point. If I take some code I don’t have a license for, feed it to a compiler (perhaps with some -O4 option that uses deep learning because buzzwords), then is the resulting binary covered under fair use, and therefore free of all license restrictions? If not, then how is what Copilot is doing any different?
  - jeremyjh 5y ago
    > If I take some code I don’t have a license for, feed it to a compiler (perhaps with some -O4 option that uses deep learning because buzzwords), then is the resulting binary covered under fair use No, the binary is not free of license restrictions. Read any open source license - there are terms under which you can redistribute a binary made from the code. For GPL you have to make all your sources available under the same terms for example. For MIT you have to include attribution. For Apache you have to attribute and agree not to file any patents on the work in Apache licensed project you use. This has been upheld in many court cases - though it is not always easy to find litigants who can fund the cases the licenses are sound.
- xdennis 5y ago
  That only makes it worse.

jeremyjh 5y ago

> Why not Copilot? Because the sources used for input do not belong to the person operating the tool. If you say that doesn't matter, then you are saying open source licenses don't matter because the same thing applies - I could just run a tool (compiler) on someone else's code, and ignore the terms of their license when I redistribute the binary.

ghoward 5y ago
I think you have what I am saying backwards. I am saying that the licenses should apply to the output of Copilot, like they apply to the output of compilers.
- jeremyjh 5y ago
  Oh sorry, my mistake! Thank you.
hedora 5y ago
No, I think that’s the point. If I take some code I don’t have a license for, feed it to a compiler (perhaps with some -O4 option that uses deep learning because buzzwords), then is the resulting binary covered under fair use, and therefore free of all license restrictions? If not, then how is what Copilot is doing any different?
- jeremyjh 5y ago
  > If I take some code I don’t have a license for, feed it to a compiler (perhaps with some -O4 option that uses deep learning because buzzwords), then is the resulting binary covered under fair use No, the binary is not free of license restrictions. Read any open source license - there are terms under which you can redistribute a binary made from the code. For GPL you have to make all your sources available under the same terms for example. For MIT you have to include attribution. For Apache you have to attribute and agree not to file any patents on the work in Apache licensed project you use. This has been upheld in many court cases - though it is not always easy to find litigants who can fund the cases the licenses are sound.
xdennis 5y ago
That only makes it worse.