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_You_ are not in control of _your_ devices. Your television will use this technology to report what shows you're watching to the company that manufactured it;

_You_ are not in control of _your_ devices. Your television will use this technology to report what shows you're watching to the company that manufactured it; the web browser running on your computer will use this technology to report your activity and retrieve advertisements even if you've tried to block them elsewhere.

iso1210 5y ago
It amazes me how people think the worlds largest advertising company is pushing DoH out of alturism. That pihole you're running? That 'steals' money from google. DOH gets rid of that.
- josephcsible 5y ago
  You can still use ad blocking with DoH. Just pick a DoH server that does so (or run your own) instead of using the default one. Or just use a browser extension like uBlock Origin instead. Nobody's trying to kill your Pi-hole with DoH. They're trying to kill your Pi-hole by serving ads from first-party domains.
  - depingus 5y ago
    You missed the point. OP is talking about app and IoT devs hard coding DoH servers into their products so that they can bypass any tracking, advertising, and privacy restrictions (aka piHole) you put in place.
    - josephcsible 5y ago
      Devices like that could just hardcode the IP addresses of their ad servers instead, so DoH isn't really the culprit there.
      - Spivak 5y ago
        Yeah there’s nothing about DoH that a Google or any IoT device maker couldn’t have done 10 years ago if they really wanted to bypass local DNS servers.
    - SilverRed 5y ago
      The companies willing to do this already made their products fail to load when their ad domains could not be reached. I tried pi hole for a week and found every ad infested service would just throw an error. This also means nothing for firefox. Firefox can not use DoH and iot products can just implement it themselves.
  - csunbird 5y ago
    How many people would be interested in an open DNS service, with the publicly configurable rules e.g. blocklists/custom dns configurations, or rule-lists like ublock origin? I am thinking of starting one.
mindslight 5y ago
If your television or browser are running proprietary software while having network access, you have already lost. Anything that you can do as a network admin to control "your" devices, an ISP can do to control its users. The sane way to resolve this conundrum is to fix your network endpoints to run only Free software, as the alternative would be facilitating centralized control on the large scale.
SilverRed 5y ago
Your TV will have its own cellular chip soon to report back data regardless of what you do. Or it will automatically collect to Amazons mesh network.

iso1210 5y ago

It amazes me how people think the worlds largest advertising company is pushing DoH out of alturism. That pihole you're running? That 'steals' money from google. DOH gets rid of that.

josephcsible 5y ago
You can still use ad blocking with DoH. Just pick a DoH server that does so (or run your own) instead of using the default one. Or just use a browser extension like uBlock Origin instead. Nobody's trying to kill your Pi-hole with DoH. They're trying to kill your Pi-hole by serving ads from first-party domains.
- depingus 5y ago
  You missed the point. OP is talking about app and IoT devs hard coding DoH servers into their products so that they can bypass any tracking, advertising, and privacy restrictions (aka piHole) you put in place.
  - josephcsible 5y ago
    Devices like that could just hardcode the IP addresses of their ad servers instead, so DoH isn't really the culprit there.
    - Spivak 5y ago
      Yeah there’s nothing about DoH that a Google or any IoT device maker couldn’t have done 10 years ago if they really wanted to bypass local DNS servers.
  - SilverRed 5y ago
    The companies willing to do this already made their products fail to load when their ad domains could not be reached. I tried pi hole for a week and found every ad infested service would just throw an error. This also means nothing for firefox. Firefox can not use DoH and iot products can just implement it themselves.
- csunbird 5y ago
  How many people would be interested in an open DNS service, with the publicly configurable rules e.g. blocklists/custom dns configurations, or rule-lists like ublock origin? I am thinking of starting one.

mindslight 5y ago

If your television or browser are running proprietary software while having network access, you have already lost. Anything that you can do as a network admin to control "your" devices, an ISP can do to control its users. The sane way to resolve this conundrum is to fix your network endpoints to run only Free software, as the alternative would be facilitating centralized control on the large scale.

SilverRed 5y ago

Your TV will have its own cellular chip soon to report back data regardless of what you do. Or it will automatically collect to Amazons mesh network.