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Let's be specific. The Government requested the takedown of the hashtag, #ModiPlanningFarmerGenocide This seems reasonable.

decadancer 5y ago
It seems reasonable to silence your political opponents on a 3rd party media with a force of law?
alfalfasprout 5y ago
Is it? I don't know the particulars of India's constitution but suppressing speech like this is generally frowned upon by democracies.
- portpecos 5y ago
  What's the difference between #ModiPlanningFarmerGenocide and #StopTheSteal from a free speech perspective?
  - xNeil 5y ago
    My question exactly - I'd love to hear someone's take on this. Both are misinformation campaigns, and both result in violence. I don't see why Trump should be banned but accounts tweeting that the government is planning a genocide should not (be banned). I'd say both bans were fair.
    - meepmorp 5y ago
      I think people are wary about a government making an official demand that content be removed. Trump's ban was entirely Twitter's own decision; by contrast, the Indian government seeks to compel removal of material. I don't have a problem, per se, with governments having the ability to remove content from public platforms on public safety or security grounds. But the Modi government has also sought to remove content that's much less plausibly likely to inflame public violence, in particular related to its handling of COVID.
- mrguyorama 5y ago
  Plenty of democracies have stricter stances on libel, which such a hashtag could be argued to be
- ridiculous_leke 5y ago
  India might be an exception in that case. India has strong hate speech laws which are routinely used against journalists.
- alex_smart 5y ago
  Both Japan and South Korea made more legal demands for takedown of tweets than India (with Japan making 8 times more takedown requests than India). Are they also not democracies? Source: https://transparency.twitter.com/en/reports/removal-requests.html https://transparency.twitter.com/en/reports/removal-requests...
  - sudosysgen 5y ago
    Given the fact that the LDP has been ruling Japan nationally for essentially 50 years uninterrupted and every single South Korean president resigned in disgrace, it's a better question that one would think.
pcmoney 5y ago
Reasonable in fascist Germany sure, on a democratic platform? Not so much. US companies need start saying "screw you" to more countries (the US included) when asked to violate their values. We need to be telling China to pound sand every day in every way we can.
- dmingod666 5y ago
  World war 2 ended last century around the world, and in some ways a little bit in the US as well, but, interestingly the majority of the population still is quite unaware of this trivia.
  - pcmoney 5y ago
    Germany currently has many laws restricting free speech, I am not sure what WW2 has to do with this debate today?
    - dmingod666 5y ago
      So by fascist Germany you mean the current govt. Wow I'm falling behind on my current affairs. Did they really abandon democracy again?
- 8note 5y ago
  Democratic platform? Do I get to vote on Twitter's content rules?
  - pcmoney 5y ago
    Democratic as in protected by free speech laws as it is incorporated in a democracy. Not socialist as in no you don't get a say on how a private company operates as it also gets the right to freedom of speech and association.
    - barbazoo 5y ago
      It seems that you are not quite clear about the meaning of those terms. > Socialism and democracy cannot be compared because it would just be like comparing apples to oranges since socialism is an economic system while democracy is a political ideology. An economic system defines the manner of producing and distributing the goods and services of society while a political system refers to the institutions that will comprise a government and how the system will work. http://www.differencebetween.net/miscellaneous/politics/difference-between-socialism-and-democracy/ http://www.differencebetween.net/miscellaneous/politics/diff...

decadancer 5y ago

It seems reasonable to silence your political opponents on a 3rd party media with a force of law?

alfalfasprout 5y ago

Is it? I don't know the particulars of India's constitution but suppressing speech like this is generally frowned upon by democracies.

portpecos 5y ago
What's the difference between #ModiPlanningFarmerGenocide and #StopTheSteal from a free speech perspective?
- xNeil 5y ago
  My question exactly - I'd love to hear someone's take on this. Both are misinformation campaigns, and both result in violence. I don't see why Trump should be banned but accounts tweeting that the government is planning a genocide should not (be banned). I'd say both bans were fair.
  - meepmorp 5y ago
    I think people are wary about a government making an official demand that content be removed. Trump's ban was entirely Twitter's own decision; by contrast, the Indian government seeks to compel removal of material. I don't have a problem, per se, with governments having the ability to remove content from public platforms on public safety or security grounds. But the Modi government has also sought to remove content that's much less plausibly likely to inflame public violence, in particular related to its handling of COVID.
mrguyorama 5y ago
Plenty of democracies have stricter stances on libel, which such a hashtag could be argued to be
ridiculous_leke 5y ago
India might be an exception in that case. India has strong hate speech laws which are routinely used against journalists.
alex_smart 5y ago
Both Japan and South Korea made more legal demands for takedown of tweets than India (with Japan making 8 times more takedown requests than India). Are they also not democracies? Source: https://transparency.twitter.com/en/reports/removal-requests.html https://transparency.twitter.com/en/reports/removal-requests...
- sudosysgen 5y ago
  Given the fact that the LDP has been ruling Japan nationally for essentially 50 years uninterrupted and every single South Korean president resigned in disgrace, it's a better question that one would think.

pcmoney 5y ago

Reasonable in fascist Germany sure, on a democratic platform? Not so much. US companies need start saying "screw you" to more countries (the US included) when asked to violate their values. We need to be telling China to pound sand every day in every way we can.

dmingod666 5y ago
World war 2 ended last century around the world, and in some ways a little bit in the US as well, but, interestingly the majority of the population still is quite unaware of this trivia.
- pcmoney 5y ago
  Germany currently has many laws restricting free speech, I am not sure what WW2 has to do with this debate today?
  - dmingod666 5y ago
    So by fascist Germany you mean the current govt. Wow I'm falling behind on my current affairs. Did they really abandon democracy again?
8note 5y ago
Democratic platform? Do I get to vote on Twitter's content rules?
- pcmoney 5y ago
  Democratic as in protected by free speech laws as it is incorporated in a democracy. Not socialist as in no you don't get a say on how a private company operates as it also gets the right to freedom of speech and association.
  - barbazoo 5y ago
    It seems that you are not quite clear about the meaning of those terms. > Socialism and democracy cannot be compared because it would just be like comparing apples to oranges since socialism is an economic system while democracy is a political ideology. An economic system defines the manner of producing and distributing the goods and services of society while a political system refers to the institutions that will comprise a government and how the system will work. http://www.differencebetween.net/miscellaneous/politics/difference-between-socialism-and-democracy/ http://www.differencebetween.net/miscellaneous/politics/diff...