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Over 18% supporting permanent curfew can’t be true, right? What’s going on in Britain?

underseacables 5y ago
Paranoia maybe, but it might also be a power thing, similar to how some Americans still want everyone to have to wear a mask and be locked down.
- apercu 5y ago
  That sounds like a typical right wing bullshit stance. I don't know a single person, much less American that wants everyone locked down in a mask.
  - da_big_ghey 5y ago
    i know 5... 2 are "high risk" persons who have personal interest (1 cancer patent, 1 immune compromised). 3 continue saying "if it save one life".
  - inetknght 5y ago
    > I don't know a single person, much less American that wants everyone locked down in a mask. I do.
    - 8note 5y ago
      Why that, rather than vaccinated?
      - jaywalk 5y ago
        The people expressing these sentiments are already vaccinated. Source: I know some of them.
        apercu 5y ago
        That's fair. I have never met anyone that enjoyed this or wants it to continue. If we had taken this seriously form day one we would not be in this position. But I knew this would happen in April 2020 because all the historical evidence and my own personal experience suggested it would. lol.
        apercu 5y ago
        I meant April 2019. lol.
  - 34679 5y ago
    Check out the comments section of a related article on any Conde Nast owned site.
    - AnIdiotOnTheNet 5y ago
      Are internet commentators representative of real people? Between the selection bias, trolling, and astroturfing, I would argue that one must assume they are not.
      - apercu 5y ago
        Yes. I don't believe anything I read on the internet. Or see on TV. Billions and billions are spent on brainwashing and propaganda. We (humans) eat that shit right up. We don't stand a chance. lol.
  - denton-scratch 5y ago
    It does sound like right-wing bullshit. I don't know why you got downvoted. I also don't know anyone that shares the reported opinions.
- verdverm 5y ago
  The same survey shows 40% of Britons want permanent mask wearing in shoppes and public transit, 25% for permanently closing night clubs and casinos. In fact, the permanent curfew is the lowest permanent item from the chart in the article.
- irrational 5y ago
  I wouldn’t want to force anyone to do anything they don’t want to do, but I think there were positive aspects to masks and lockdown I’d like to perpetuate. I have not been sick a single time in the past year and a half. Not even a little cold. I’d like it if everyone wore a mask and chose to social distance anytime there is the slightest chance they have a communicable disease like the cold. Unfortunately people are so selfish that that is highly unlikely. And, as an introvert, lockdown did wonderful things for my mental health. I’ve been happier being locked down than I can remember being in decades. I hope things like remote work become a permanent thing.
  - denton-scratch 5y ago
    I've also found lockdown suits my temperament! And yeah, if you have common cold, I agree that it's courteous to wear a mask indoors (which mainly protects others from your effusions, more than you from theirs). And yeah, I'm in favour of social distancing, regardless of disease. I appreciate people I don't know respecting my space. How much space you prefer seems to be a social construct; I feel a bit invaded if a stranger comes closer than about 1m. I sort of miss shaking hands with people I've just met. Elbow-bumps are absurd; nobody does it without irony.
jjbinx007 5y ago
Curfews cut down on crime and antisocial behaviour, even noise levels.
- sigg3 5y ago
  For the majority it cuts down legitimate activities and a healthy social life, though.
- monkeynotes 5y ago
  Curfews prevent important positive social behaviour and incubate a fearful mindset that increases anxiety and depression. Animals are happiest when they are free even if it means risk. Take a look at caged animals, they lose their shit. Locking people inside is a net negative experience and detrimental to a healthy society.
  - vecinu 5y ago
    You could extend this logic to other things that are forbidden. Some people want to slap women's butts on the street (very common in Eastern Europe) but if we outlaw that are we treating people like caged animals and increasing anxiety and depression?
- thebean11 5y ago
  So what? So do lobotomies
- dougmwne 5y ago
  Smells a lot like older people who have their families and personal networks and have had their fun thinking that young people should stay inside and not be a bother. Thing is, young people need to socialize in order find a mate, build their social circle, establish their careers and engage with formative experiences. It's unjust for old people to decide they should be locked up after dark.
monkeynotes 5y ago
1) People love drama 2) People say stuff they don't really mean just to perpetuate a drama in their otherwise predictable lives 3) Social media is a cancer on society 4) Statistics are sometimes nonsense
- apercu 5y ago
  "3) Social media is a cancer on society" Yessir. Hacker News sometimes too.
- BitwiseFool 5y ago
  Whether it's people trolling or not understanding the question you can end up with some nonsensical percentages when you poll the public at large. I don't know if this effect has a name but I remember my statistics professor talking about this.
  - ineedasername 5y ago
    The name of one of the factors is "selection bias". The type of people willing to take the survey may be those that already feel strongly on the topic, meaning you get results that favor one or both extremes, with fewer in the middle. Or the survey delivery mechanism makes response from some population segments less likely: Results collected purely online may not get as maney older people less comfortable with technology (although that's a dwindling group). Results collected through email solicitation may not get as many younger respondents who don't use email as much. A phone survey sent out during the day will miss many people who aren't home, which will skew the results by excluding many people who are already comfortable going out, shopping, back to work, etc and move results towards "permanent lockdown".
    - new_guy 5y ago
      Assuming there actually is a survey and people are actually being asked. 87% of the time it's people pulling numbers out of their ass.
      - 5y ago
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jasonkester 5y ago
Don’t forget that a significant fraction of them voted to leave the EU as a way of sending a message, not expecting that it could result in actually needing to leave the EU.
denton-scratch 5y ago
Brit here. I can't read the OP: paywall. Does The Economist literally say that? I don't know how they came up with that - I don't believe anybody here is in favour of "permanent curfew" (a curfew is a ban on travelling during the hours of darkness; I guess they were referring to lockdown). I imagine there is significant opposition, however, to the government's plan to lift lockdown more-or-less completely, in a couple of weeks, against the advice of his own scientific advisers. Maybe that's what The Economist is trying to say.
- ergl 5y ago
  Results are here: https://www.ipsos.com/sites/default/files/ct/news/documents/2021-07/Ipsos%20MORI%20July%202021%20Coronavirus%20polling.pdf https://www.ipsos.com/sites/default/files/ct/news/documents/... "To what extent, if at all, would you support or oppose each of the following rules being in place permanently, regardless of the risk from COVID-19?" "Having a curfew against leaving home after 10PM without a good reason": 19%
  - pseudalopex 5y ago
    How many of them supported a curfew before 2020?
- Jabbles 5y ago
  There's not really much point replying if you didn't read the article. Especially if you're trying to correct someone else. But yes, they did say that. https://archive.is/8xmAd https://archive.is/8xmAd
  - denton-scratch 5y ago
    I don't think I tried to correct anyone; I just asked some pretty open questions. I've had a look at the Ipsos Mori results. I can't find any information here... https://www.ipsos.com/sites/default/files/ct/news/documents/2021-07/Ipsos%20MORI%20July%202021%20Coronavirus%20polling.pdf https://www.ipsos.com/sites/default/files/ct/news/documents/... ... about how many people they interviewed, exactly what questions they were asked (or whether these were open interviews), or how the sample were selected.
MattGaiser 5y ago
How many people just want to remain remote?
- xor99 5y ago
  Yeah exactly, this is glossed over. The UK govt and many CEOs have been erring on the side of wanting "work from work" to come back. The choice for workers then is: continue restrictions and get remote working or end restrictions and be forced back into commuting etc. In this light 18% doesn't seem as high.
tonyedgecombe 5y ago
Old people. We are turning into a gerontocracy. This is what gave us Brexit.
UncleOxidant 5y ago
18% doesn't seem all that high. Wouldn't be surprised if you'd find a similar percentage that would support it in the US.
Geekette 5y ago
I attribute it mostly to a noise issue: Those who live the closest to pubs/clubs and other high noise generation venues noticed the quiet difference during lockdown and wistfully wish for more.
mssundaram 5y ago
See also Brexit

Paranoia maybe, but it might also be a power thing, similar to how some Americans still want everyone to have to wear a mask and be locked down.

apercu 5y ago
That sounds like a typical right wing bullshit stance. I don't know a single person, much less American that wants everyone locked down in a mask.
- da_big_ghey 5y ago
  i know 5... 2 are "high risk" persons who have personal interest (1 cancer patent, 1 immune compromised). 3 continue saying "if it save one life".
- inetknght 5y ago
  > I don't know a single person, much less American that wants everyone locked down in a mask. I do.
  - 8note 5y ago
    Why that, rather than vaccinated?
    - jaywalk 5y ago
      The people expressing these sentiments are already vaccinated. Source: I know some of them.
      - apercu 5y ago
        That's fair. I have never met anyone that enjoyed this or wants it to continue. If we had taken this seriously form day one we would not be in this position. But I knew this would happen in April 2020 because all the historical evidence and my own personal experience suggested it would. lol.
        apercu 5y ago
        I meant April 2019. lol.
- 34679 5y ago
  Check out the comments section of a related article on any Conde Nast owned site.
  - AnIdiotOnTheNet 5y ago
    Are internet commentators representative of real people? Between the selection bias, trolling, and astroturfing, I would argue that one must assume they are not.
    - apercu 5y ago
      Yes. I don't believe anything I read on the internet. Or see on TV. Billions and billions are spent on brainwashing and propaganda. We (humans) eat that shit right up. We don't stand a chance. lol.
- denton-scratch 5y ago
  It does sound like right-wing bullshit. I don't know why you got downvoted. I also don't know anyone that shares the reported opinions.
verdverm 5y ago
The same survey shows 40% of Britons want permanent mask wearing in shoppes and public transit, 25% for permanently closing night clubs and casinos. In fact, the permanent curfew is the lowest permanent item from the chart in the article.
irrational 5y ago
I wouldn’t want to force anyone to do anything they don’t want to do, but I think there were positive aspects to masks and lockdown I’d like to perpetuate. I have not been sick a single time in the past year and a half. Not even a little cold. I’d like it if everyone wore a mask and chose to social distance anytime there is the slightest chance they have a communicable disease like the cold. Unfortunately people are so selfish that that is highly unlikely. And, as an introvert, lockdown did wonderful things for my mental health. I’ve been happier being locked down than I can remember being in decades. I hope things like remote work become a permanent thing.
- denton-scratch 5y ago
  I've also found lockdown suits my temperament! And yeah, if you have common cold, I agree that it's courteous to wear a mask indoors (which mainly protects others from your effusions, more than you from theirs). And yeah, I'm in favour of social distancing, regardless of disease. I appreciate people I don't know respecting my space. How much space you prefer seems to be a social construct; I feel a bit invaded if a stranger comes closer than about 1m. I sort of miss shaking hands with people I've just met. Elbow-bumps are absurd; nobody does it without irony.

jjbinx007 5y ago

Curfews cut down on crime and antisocial behaviour, even noise levels.

sigg3 5y ago
For the majority it cuts down legitimate activities and a healthy social life, though.
monkeynotes 5y ago
Curfews prevent important positive social behaviour and incubate a fearful mindset that increases anxiety and depression. Animals are happiest when they are free even if it means risk. Take a look at caged animals, they lose their shit. Locking people inside is a net negative experience and detrimental to a healthy society.
- vecinu 5y ago
  You could extend this logic to other things that are forbidden. Some people want to slap women's butts on the street (very common in Eastern Europe) but if we outlaw that are we treating people like caged animals and increasing anxiety and depression?
thebean11 5y ago
So what? So do lobotomies
dougmwne 5y ago
Smells a lot like older people who have their families and personal networks and have had their fun thinking that young people should stay inside and not be a bother. Thing is, young people need to socialize in order find a mate, build their social circle, establish their careers and engage with formative experiences. It's unjust for old people to decide they should be locked up after dark.

monkeynotes 5y ago

1) People love drama 2) People say stuff they don't really mean just to perpetuate a drama in their otherwise predictable lives 3) Social media is a cancer on society 4) Statistics are sometimes nonsense

apercu 5y ago
"3) Social media is a cancer on society" Yessir. Hacker News sometimes too.
BitwiseFool 5y ago
Whether it's people trolling or not understanding the question you can end up with some nonsensical percentages when you poll the public at large. I don't know if this effect has a name but I remember my statistics professor talking about this.
- ineedasername 5y ago
  The name of one of the factors is "selection bias". The type of people willing to take the survey may be those that already feel strongly on the topic, meaning you get results that favor one or both extremes, with fewer in the middle. Or the survey delivery mechanism makes response from some population segments less likely: Results collected purely online may not get as maney older people less comfortable with technology (although that's a dwindling group). Results collected through email solicitation may not get as many younger respondents who don't use email as much. A phone survey sent out during the day will miss many people who aren't home, which will skew the results by excluding many people who are already comfortable going out, shopping, back to work, etc and move results towards "permanent lockdown".
  - new_guy 5y ago
    Assuming there actually is a survey and people are actually being asked. 87% of the time it's people pulling numbers out of their ass.
    - 5y ago

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jasonkester 5y ago

Don’t forget that a significant fraction of them voted to leave the EU as a way of sending a message, not expecting that it could result in actually needing to leave the EU.

denton-scratch 5y ago

Brit here. I can't read the OP: paywall. Does The Economist literally say that? I don't know how they came up with that - I don't believe anybody here is in favour of "permanent curfew" (a curfew is a ban on travelling during the hours of darkness; I guess they were referring to lockdown). I imagine there is significant opposition, however, to the government's plan to lift lockdown more-or-less completely, in a couple of weeks, against the advice of his own scientific advisers. Maybe that's what The Economist is trying to say.

ergl 5y ago
Results are here: https://www.ipsos.com/sites/default/files/ct/news/documents/2021-07/Ipsos%20MORI%20July%202021%20Coronavirus%20polling.pdf https://www.ipsos.com/sites/default/files/ct/news/documents/... "To what extent, if at all, would you support or oppose each of the following rules being in place permanently, regardless of the risk from COVID-19?" "Having a curfew against leaving home after 10PM without a good reason": 19%
- pseudalopex 5y ago
  How many of them supported a curfew before 2020?
Jabbles 5y ago
There's not really much point replying if you didn't read the article. Especially if you're trying to correct someone else. But yes, they did say that. https://archive.is/8xmAd https://archive.is/8xmAd
- denton-scratch 5y ago
  I don't think I tried to correct anyone; I just asked some pretty open questions. I've had a look at the Ipsos Mori results. I can't find any information here... https://www.ipsos.com/sites/default/files/ct/news/documents/2021-07/Ipsos%20MORI%20July%202021%20Coronavirus%20polling.pdf https://www.ipsos.com/sites/default/files/ct/news/documents/... ... about how many people they interviewed, exactly what questions they were asked (or whether these were open interviews), or how the sample were selected.

MattGaiser 5y ago

How many people just want to remain remote?

xor99 5y ago
Yeah exactly, this is glossed over. The UK govt and many CEOs have been erring on the side of wanting "work from work" to come back. The choice for workers then is: continue restrictions and get remote working or end restrictions and be forced back into commuting etc. In this light 18% doesn't seem as high.

tonyedgecombe 5y ago

Old people. We are turning into a gerontocracy. This is what gave us Brexit.

UncleOxidant 5y ago

18% doesn't seem all that high. Wouldn't be surprised if you'd find a similar percentage that would support it in the US.

Geekette 5y ago

I attribute it mostly to a noise issue: Those who live the closest to pubs/clubs and other high noise generation venues noticed the quiet difference during lockdown and wistfully wish for more.

mssundaram 5y ago