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Google did not scan those books and use it to build new books with different titles. The comparison doesn't hold up at all.

_Understated_ 5y ago
> Google did not scan those books and use it to build new books with different titles. The comparison doesn't hold up at all. Not sure if you meant to reply to me but I agree with you: you can't compare what Google did to what Copilot does.
- PieUser 5y ago
  Copilot just suggests code.
  - MadcapJake 5y ago
    If I suggest whole lines of dialogue to you, the screenwriter, did I write those lines or you? If you change names in those lines of dialogue to fit your story, do you now gain credit for writing those lines? Suggesting code is generating code
    - midev 5y ago
      > did I write those lines or you Neither. Someone else did, and published it. Copilot copied the dialog and suggested it. > If you change names in those lines of dialogue to fit your story, do you now gain credit for writing those lines? It depends. Talking generalities isn't productive or interesting. Can you give an example and we can discuss specifics? > Suggesting code is generating code This isn't even superficially true
  - kroltan 5y ago
    And someone accepts it. Even if suggesting derivatives of licensed code is not a license infringement, then Copilot sure is a vector for mass license infringement by the people clicking "Accept suggestion". And those people are unable to know (without doing extensive investigation that completely nullifies the point of the tool) whether that suggestion is potentially a verbatim copy of some existing work in an incompatible license.
jollybean 5y ago
There are situations where the question is are the mishmashes from Copilot 'fair use'. But the other, more direct question is ... what about the instances where Copilot doesn't come up with a learned mishmash result? What happens when Copilot just gives you a straight up answer from it's learning data, verbatim? Then you, as a dev, end up with a bunch of code that is effectively copied, via a 'copying tool', which is GPL'd? It's that specific case that to me sticks out as the 'most concerning part'. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

_Understated_ 5y ago

> Google did not scan those books and use it to build new books with different titles. The comparison doesn't hold up at all. Not sure if you meant to reply to me but I agree with you: you can't compare what Google did to what Copilot does.

PieUser 5y ago
Copilot just suggests code.
- MadcapJake 5y ago
  If I suggest whole lines of dialogue to you, the screenwriter, did I write those lines or you? If you change names in those lines of dialogue to fit your story, do you now gain credit for writing those lines? Suggesting code is generating code
  - midev 5y ago
    > did I write those lines or you Neither. Someone else did, and published it. Copilot copied the dialog and suggested it. > If you change names in those lines of dialogue to fit your story, do you now gain credit for writing those lines? It depends. Talking generalities isn't productive or interesting. Can you give an example and we can discuss specifics? > Suggesting code is generating code This isn't even superficially true
- kroltan 5y ago
  And someone accepts it. Even if suggesting derivatives of licensed code is not a license infringement, then Copilot sure is a vector for mass license infringement by the people clicking "Accept suggestion". And those people are unable to know (without doing extensive investigation that completely nullifies the point of the tool) whether that suggestion is potentially a verbatim copy of some existing work in an incompatible license.

jollybean 5y ago

There are situations where the question is are the mishmashes from Copilot 'fair use'. But the other, more direct question is ... what about the instances where Copilot doesn't come up with a learned mishmash result? What happens when Copilot just gives you a straight up answer from it's learning data, verbatim? Then you, as a dev, end up with a bunch of code that is effectively copied, via a 'copying tool', which is GPL'd? It's that specific case that to me sticks out as the 'most concerning part'. Please correct me if I'm wrong.