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Some Britons crave permanent pandemic lockdown
- cotcotcot 5y agocovid is off topic you liberal piece of communist shit
- daanvd 5y agohttps://archive.is/8xmAd https://archive.is/8xmAd
- LudwigNagasena 5y agoOver 18% supporting permanent curfew can’t be true, right? What’s going on in Britain?
- underseacables 5y agoParanoia maybe, but it might also be a power thing, similar to how some Americans still want everyone to have to wear a mask and be locked down.
- apercu 5y agoThat sounds like a typical right wing bullshit stance. I don't know a single person, much less American that wants everyone locked down in a mask.
- da_big_ghey 5y agoi know 5... 2 are "high risk" persons who have personal interest (1 cancer patent, 1 immune compromised). 3 continue saying "if it save one life".
- inetknght 5y ago> I don't know a single person, much less American that wants everyone locked down in a mask. I do.
- 8note 5y agoWhy that, rather than vaccinated?
- jaywalk 5y agoThe people expressing these sentiments are already vaccinated. Source: I know some of them.
- apercu 5y agoThat's fair. I have never met anyone that enjoyed this or wants it to continue. If we had taken this seriously form day one we would not be in this position. But I knew this would happen in April 2020 because all the historical evidence and my own personal experience suggested it would. lol.
- apercu 5y agoI meant April 2019. lol.
- 34679 5y agoCheck out the comments section of a related article on any Conde Nast owned site.
- AnIdiotOnTheNet 5y agoAre internet commentators representative of real people? Between the selection bias, trolling, and astroturfing, I would argue that one must assume they are not.
- apercu 5y agoYes. I don't believe anything I read on the internet. Or see on TV. Billions and billions are spent on brainwashing and propaganda. We (humans) eat that shit right up. We don't stand a chance. lol.
- denton-scratch 5y agoIt does sound like right-wing bullshit. I don't know why you got downvoted. I also don't know anyone that shares the reported opinions.
- verdverm 5y agoThe same survey shows 40% of Britons want permanent mask wearing in shoppes and public transit, 25% for permanently closing night clubs and casinos. In fact, the permanent curfew is the lowest permanent item from the chart in the article.
- irrational 5y agoI wouldn’t want to force anyone to do anything they don’t want to do, but I think there were positive aspects to masks and lockdown I’d like to perpetuate. I have not been sick a single time in the past year and a half. Not even a little cold. I’d like it if everyone wore a mask and chose to social distance anytime there is the slightest chance they have a communicable disease like the cold. Unfortunately people are so selfish that that is highly unlikely. And, as an introvert, lockdown did wonderful things for my mental health. I’ve been happier being locked down than I can remember being in decades. I hope things like remote work become a permanent thing.
- denton-scratch 5y agoI've also found lockdown suits my temperament! And yeah, if you have common cold, I agree that it's courteous to wear a mask indoors (which mainly protects others from your effusions, more than you from theirs). And yeah, I'm in favour of social distancing, regardless of disease. I appreciate people I don't know respecting my space. How much space you prefer seems to be a social construct; I feel a bit invaded if a stranger comes closer than about 1m. I sort of miss shaking hands with people I've just met. Elbow-bumps are absurd; nobody does it without irony.
- jjbinx007 5y agoCurfews cut down on crime and antisocial behaviour, even noise levels.
- sigg3 5y agoFor the majority it cuts down legitimate activities and a healthy social life, though.
- monkeynotes 5y agoCurfews prevent important positive social behaviour and incubate a fearful mindset that increases anxiety and depression. Animals are happiest when they are free even if it means risk. Take a look at caged animals, they lose their shit. Locking people inside is a net negative experience and detrimental to a healthy society.
- vecinu 5y agoYou could extend this logic to other things that are forbidden. Some people want to slap women's butts on the street (very common in Eastern Europe) but if we outlaw that are we treating people like caged animals and increasing anxiety and depression?
- thebean11 5y agoSo what? So do lobotomies
- dougmwne 5y agoSmells a lot like older people who have their families and personal networks and have had their fun thinking that young people should stay inside and not be a bother. Thing is, young people need to socialize in order find a mate, build their social circle, establish their careers and engage with formative experiences. It's unjust for old people to decide they should be locked up after dark.
- monkeynotes 5y ago1) People love drama 2) People say stuff they don't really mean just to perpetuate a drama in their otherwise predictable lives 3) Social media is a cancer on society 4) Statistics are sometimes nonsense
- apercu 5y ago"3) Social media is a cancer on society" Yessir. Hacker News sometimes too.
- BitwiseFool 5y agoWhether it's people trolling or not understanding the question you can end up with some nonsensical percentages when you poll the public at large. I don't know if this effect has a name but I remember my statistics professor talking about this.
- ineedasername 5y agoThe name of one of the factors is "selection bias". The type of people willing to take the survey may be those that already feel strongly on the topic, meaning you get results that favor one or both extremes, with fewer in the middle. Or the survey delivery mechanism makes response from some population segments less likely: Results collected purely online may not get as maney older people less comfortable with technology (although that's a dwindling group). Results collected through email solicitation may not get as many younger respondents who don't use email as much. A phone survey sent out during the day will miss many people who aren't home, which will skew the results by excluding many people who are already comfortable going out, shopping, back to work, etc and move results towards "permanent lockdown".
- new_guy 5y agoAssuming there actually is a survey and people are actually being asked. 87% of the time it's people pulling numbers out of their ass.
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- jasonkester 5y agoDon’t forget that a significant fraction of them voted to leave the EU as a way of sending a message, not expecting that it could result in actually needing to leave the EU.
- denton-scratch 5y agoBrit here. I can't read the OP: paywall. Does The Economist literally say that? I don't know how they came up with that - I don't believe anybody here is in favour of "permanent curfew" (a curfew is a ban on travelling during the hours of darkness; I guess they were referring to lockdown). I imagine there is significant opposition, however, to the government's plan to lift lockdown more-or-less completely, in a couple of weeks, against the advice of his own scientific advisers. Maybe that's what The Economist is trying to say.
- ergl 5y agoResults are here: https://www.ipsos.com/sites/default/files/ct/news/documents/2021-07/Ipsos%20MORI%20July%202021%20Coronavirus%20polling.pdf https://www.ipsos.com/sites/default/files/ct/news/documents/... "To what extent, if at all, would you support or oppose each of the following rules being in place permanently, regardless of the risk from COVID-19?" "Having a curfew against leaving home after 10PM without a good reason": 19%
- pseudalopex 5y agoHow many of them supported a curfew before 2020?
- Jabbles 5y agoThere's not really much point replying if you didn't read the article. Especially if you're trying to correct someone else. But yes, they did say that. https://archive.is/8xmAd https://archive.is/8xmAd
- denton-scratch 5y agoI don't think I tried to correct anyone; I just asked some pretty open questions. I've had a look at the Ipsos Mori results. I can't find any information here... https://www.ipsos.com/sites/default/files/ct/news/documents/2021-07/Ipsos%20MORI%20July%202021%20Coronavirus%20polling.pdf https://www.ipsos.com/sites/default/files/ct/news/documents/... ... about how many people they interviewed, exactly what questions they were asked (or whether these were open interviews), or how the sample were selected.
- MattGaiser 5y agoHow many people just want to remain remote?
- xor99 5y agoYeah exactly, this is glossed over. The UK govt and many CEOs have been erring on the side of wanting "work from work" to come back. The choice for workers then is: continue restrictions and get remote working or end restrictions and be forced back into commuting etc. In this light 18% doesn't seem as high.
- tonyedgecombe 5y agoOld people. We are turning into a gerontocracy. This is what gave us Brexit.
- UncleOxidant 5y ago18% doesn't seem all that high. Wouldn't be surprised if you'd find a similar percentage that would support it in the US.
- Geekette 5y agoI attribute it mostly to a noise issue: Those who live the closest to pubs/clubs and other high noise generation venues noticed the quiet difference during lockdown and wistfully wish for more.
- mssundaram 5y agoSee also Brexit
- throwawaysea 5y agoIs it because there are fewer crowds or because remote work is permitted? Surely this can’t be craving a lockdown purely for safety.
- monkeynotes 5y agoWe are already currently in a situation where "safety" trumps everything. People willingly prioritizing physical health in exchange for negative mental health, relationships, being with their dying loved ones, losing jobs, higher cost of living, and freedom in general.
- vecinu 5y agoI'm having a hard time parsing your comment. You're saying prioritizing physical health is a net negative and you'd rather trade that for better mental health? Wouldn't bad physical health generally lead to a worse mental state?
- 0xbadc0de5 5y agoThose who would trade freedom for security will inevitably lose both... and deserve neither.
- option 5y agoI think of this quote every single time I go through the security theater at every US airport.
- jdavis703 5y agoAirplane hijackings and bombings used to be a relatively frequent occurrence. One can argue that the security is not worth the loss of freedom (e.g. not being able to bring a gun on a plane). But it doesn’t seem to follow that the security is merely theater.
- bproctor 5y agoAs a former TSA agent, it's most definitely theater. We used to practice by trying to hide something and see if we could get through. The xray operator didn't stand a chance even when they knew it was coming. This was over 10 years ago so maybe it's improved? I doubt it.
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- mh- 5y agoIt hasn't. https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/20/politics/tsa-whistleblower-airport-safety-invs/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/20/politics/tsa-whistleblower-ai... In 2015, agents with Department of Homeland Security posing as passengers snuck fake explosives through the security lines of several of the nation’s busiest airports. During the test, TSA officers missed 67 of the 70 fake weapons that went through the checks – a failure rate of 95%.
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- Jabbles 5y agoI've no idea why 18% of people think a permanent 10pm curfew regardless of COVID is a good thing. But to add some perspective on the situation in the UK here is our (surprisingly good) government data website: https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/ https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/ As you can see, infections/day have been ~doubling every ~2 weeks for the last ~6. And here is a letter in The Lancet from scientists opposing the imminent end of all restrictions: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)01589-0/fulltext https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6...
- afavour 5y ago18% seems high but don’t underestimate paranoia and/or selfishness. A lot of older people aren’t ever out past 10pm (I’m in my late thirties and I rarely am!) and have been convinced by tabloid newspapers that youths/immigrants/criminals/[delete as applicable] are doing all kinds of awful things at night time. Best to keep everyone indoors so that we’re all safe, eh?
- agent008t 5y agoIf you go to bed at 10pm, why would you not want a curfew? For many people, 'back to normal' also means drunk people shouting under their windows in the middle of the night. Now, a curfew sounds drastic, and I suspect many people are saying they are for it tongue in cheek. However, what's wrong with wanting to keep some of the positive aspects of the last year? Why go 'back to normal' when we can go forward to something better?
- oliwarner 5y agoHaving everyone home by 10pm would automatically curb a lot of anti-social and gang behaviour. Especially with a police blitz, scooping up anyone without a good excuse. Not saying it's really desirable, worthwhile, or even feasible... But that's probably why some want it. Some places get pretty unpleasant after dark.
- fcatalan 5y agoI have another personal angle on this: I'm not very social. I do enjoy conversation or dinner or visits with friends or coworkers, occasionally, but not the constant barrage of invitations, events and obligations that was normal before the pandemic. So while I understand things will eventually go back to that normal for the obvious benefit of the majority, personally it feels like the end of a long, quiet vacation that I will remember and miss. So I'm pushing back on people that want me to meet or party too soon. I'm writing this minutes after my second vaccine dose so it won't be long before my own kind of freedom runs out.
- AnIdiotOnTheNet 5y agoI personally didn't feel much like it was a vacation since I still had to go into the office[0], but I will miss the way the default behavior was for people to avoid each other on the street and absolutely no one attempted to start an impromptu conversation with me. [0] except for the brief period where basically every employee had COVID, gee, how did that happen?
- gunapologist99 5y agoBull... Nightclubs, casinos and dark streets harbour all sorts of wrongdoers. I expected less bias from The Economist.
- wait_a_minute 5y agoCould this be propaganda intended to normalize the idea of complete top-down control over every area of life? We all need to wake up while we still can. It’s one thing to be a shut-in as a matter of your own individual choice - but this large of a % of people supposedly wanting it imposed on everyone else? In the UK of all places? I smell a rat.
- crocodiletears 5y agoThe UK would honestly be the first western country I would expect this from. It still stretches the imagination, but the UK always seems to be the first to propose legislated restrictions for the good of its own population.
- wait_a_minute 5y agoSome people must have thought V For Vendetta is a tutorial and not a warning.