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The Supreme Court ruled in the 1920s that the sterilization of inmates was constitutional. The US forcibly sterilized minorities and people of color as recently

The Supreme Court ruled in the 1920s that the sterilization of inmates was constitutional. The US forcibly sterilized minorities and people of color as recently as the 1970s. While I would still prefer to live in the US, you would find by talking to Chinese citizens that they feel exactly the same way about their country. The same applies to Russians and other large nations. We are all being fed propaganda, it doesn’t matter what country you live in.

Swenrekcah 5y ago
No stop it. Sure the US has problems. But what do you know, you can talk about them on this website hosted in the US. You can protest the government. You can talk shit about the leaders. You aren't jailed or killed for any of these things in the US. And 'as recently as 1970s' is half a century ago. I'm European btw.
- atatatat 5y ago
  > You aren't jailed or killed for any of these things in the US. Someone has some reading to do.......
  - i_haz_rabies 5y ago
    Can you provide some reading for me that argues that the United States has jailed or killed political dissidents on anything approaching the same scale as the Chinese Communist "Tiananmen" Party?
    - Swenrekcah 5y ago
      Since the comparison was with Russia and China I could also have added that you can run for office in the US on harsh criticism of the government and with a realistic chance of success without being poisoned or imprisoned.
    - atatatat 5y ago
      > the same scale Don't hurt yourself moving those goalposts.
- vimacs2 5y ago
  You can "protest" sure for a given definition of the word but the US absolutely will go after any organisation or group that plan anything beyond ineffectual picket waving. While they might not be going full Maoist China on it's dissedents, they exercise more subtle methods to control the narrative and compromising movements as well as outright assassinations of prominent figures. This is absolutely not unique to the US of course and this goes on in Europe as well. They're just among the most irritatingly self rightous about their imaginary respect for dissent.
  - Swenrekcah 5y ago
    >They're just among the most irritatingly self rightous about their imaginary respect for dissent. The powers that be always want to continue being. But methods matter. How many politicians in the US or Europe have been poisoned by the state in the last decade? Don't you think there are politicians that the government would rather didn't exist? Yet they don't kill them or fabricate charges. It is ridiculous to compare liberal democracies with autocratic regimes. But it is true that we really need to keep our guard up to retain our liberal democracies, they are being attacked form within as well as outside.
    - vimacs2 5y ago
      >Yet they don't kill them or fabricate charges. While I cannot disconfirm the former (though there have certainly been some high profile cases with fishy circumstances- such as JFK), what about the Russiagate nonsense with Trump? I might hate him but the manchurian candidate theory was transparently bs from the very beginning, even before the investigation that proved it. He's certainly not the first politican that this line was used on and will probably not be the last. It seems to be a bipartisan thing to simultaneously shift focus of the public from national level corruption in favour of a foreign bogeyman and simultaneously slander opponents. In a so called representative democracy, you do not need to outright murder or imprison your opponents to enforce control, you simply either have to relegate them to irrelevance through skewed or absent corporate media coverage or buy them out. See Bernie Sanders, Tulsi Gabbard, Andrew Yang, early Nancy Peloski, AOC, etc. The tactics might differ from a transparently autocratic regime but the intentions are the same, and the end result is not really as different as liberals like to paint it. For all the unpopular politicians that are allowed to continue, there is police violence, surveillance, torture, imprisonment, and outright assasinations of prominent figures in activist groups. Then there is what they get up to outside the confines of US citizenship and borders. Look at the state of Bolivia, Columbia, most of Central and Southern America actually. They have death squads from paramilitary groups backed by US multinational companies for the sole purpose of brutally putting down any attempts at collective bargaining or real democracy. Just because it's not visible in your backyard doesn't mean your country is not responsible for that mess.
- sangnoir 5y ago
  > And 'as recently as 1970s' is half a century ago. So, you're telling me the victims are still alive? 50 years is not a long time
- matheusmoreira 5y ago
  Martin Luther King was tailed by the CIA during his activities.
i_haz_rabies 5y ago
The difference is that most Americans are ashamed of those parts of their history.
tomjen3 5y ago
The 1970 were 50 years ago, and as you pointed out that was when the practice ended. China is doing these things now.
ixacto 5y ago
Yes the United States sterilized people involuntarily up until 1981 (Oregon board of eugenics). That was 40 years ago, in Xi’s China it is still happening today. There has been some repetitions paid, and it is unlikely this would happen in the United States today. The United States and China are nothing alike. Try flying a Winnie the Pooh blimp (makes fun of China’s leader) in China and see how long before that gets shut down. We can also freely talk about what is going on in China/HK/TW/wugiwers here, where such speech would be prohibited in China.
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Swenrekcah 5y ago

No stop it. Sure the US has problems. But what do you know, you can talk about them on this website hosted in the US. You can protest the government. You can talk shit about the leaders. You aren't jailed or killed for any of these things in the US. And 'as recently as 1970s' is half a century ago. I'm European btw.

atatatat 5y ago
> You aren't jailed or killed for any of these things in the US. Someone has some reading to do.......
- i_haz_rabies 5y ago
  Can you provide some reading for me that argues that the United States has jailed or killed political dissidents on anything approaching the same scale as the Chinese Communist "Tiananmen" Party?
  - Swenrekcah 5y ago
    Since the comparison was with Russia and China I could also have added that you can run for office in the US on harsh criticism of the government and with a realistic chance of success without being poisoned or imprisoned.
  - atatatat 5y ago
    > the same scale Don't hurt yourself moving those goalposts.
vimacs2 5y ago
You can "protest" sure for a given definition of the word but the US absolutely will go after any organisation or group that plan anything beyond ineffectual picket waving. While they might not be going full Maoist China on it's dissedents, they exercise more subtle methods to control the narrative and compromising movements as well as outright assassinations of prominent figures. This is absolutely not unique to the US of course and this goes on in Europe as well. They're just among the most irritatingly self rightous about their imaginary respect for dissent.
- Swenrekcah 5y ago
  >They're just among the most irritatingly self rightous about their imaginary respect for dissent. The powers that be always want to continue being. But methods matter. How many politicians in the US or Europe have been poisoned by the state in the last decade? Don't you think there are politicians that the government would rather didn't exist? Yet they don't kill them or fabricate charges. It is ridiculous to compare liberal democracies with autocratic regimes. But it is true that we really need to keep our guard up to retain our liberal democracies, they are being attacked form within as well as outside.
  - vimacs2 5y ago
    >Yet they don't kill them or fabricate charges. While I cannot disconfirm the former (though there have certainly been some high profile cases with fishy circumstances- such as JFK), what about the Russiagate nonsense with Trump? I might hate him but the manchurian candidate theory was transparently bs from the very beginning, even before the investigation that proved it. He's certainly not the first politican that this line was used on and will probably not be the last. It seems to be a bipartisan thing to simultaneously shift focus of the public from national level corruption in favour of a foreign bogeyman and simultaneously slander opponents. In a so called representative democracy, you do not need to outright murder or imprison your opponents to enforce control, you simply either have to relegate them to irrelevance through skewed or absent corporate media coverage or buy them out. See Bernie Sanders, Tulsi Gabbard, Andrew Yang, early Nancy Peloski, AOC, etc. The tactics might differ from a transparently autocratic regime but the intentions are the same, and the end result is not really as different as liberals like to paint it. For all the unpopular politicians that are allowed to continue, there is police violence, surveillance, torture, imprisonment, and outright assasinations of prominent figures in activist groups. Then there is what they get up to outside the confines of US citizenship and borders. Look at the state of Bolivia, Columbia, most of Central and Southern America actually. They have death squads from paramilitary groups backed by US multinational companies for the sole purpose of brutally putting down any attempts at collective bargaining or real democracy. Just because it's not visible in your backyard doesn't mean your country is not responsible for that mess.
sangnoir 5y ago
> And 'as recently as 1970s' is half a century ago. So, you're telling me the victims are still alive? 50 years is not a long time
matheusmoreira 5y ago
Martin Luther King was tailed by the CIA during his activities.

i_haz_rabies 5y ago

The difference is that most Americans are ashamed of those parts of their history.

tomjen3 5y ago

The 1970 were 50 years ago, and as you pointed out that was when the practice ended. China is doing these things now.

ixacto 5y ago

Yes the United States sterilized people involuntarily up until 1981 (Oregon board of eugenics). That was 40 years ago, in Xi’s China it is still happening today. There has been some repetitions paid, and it is unlikely this would happen in the United States today. The United States and China are nothing alike. Try flying a Winnie the Pooh blimp (makes fun of China’s leader) in China and see how long before that gets shut down. We can also freely talk about what is going on in China/HK/TW/wugiwers here, where such speech would be prohibited in China.

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