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> the arguments against the flavored juices are hysterical/hypocritical given the variety of flavors of liquor one can find. I would assume a significant diffe

> the arguments against the flavored juices are hysterical/hypocritical given the variety of flavors of liquor one can find. I would assume a significant difference in impact between putting flavor substances in your lungs and putting flavor substances in your esophagus/stomach.

smolder 5y ago
I think the argument they are referring to is the one that because there were tasty flavors, the products were targeting youth... as if adults do not enjoy tasty flavors. That's one way regulators rationalized bans on vaping products. No one is making similar arguments to ban tasty liquor. I haven't ruled out that they were trying to target youth with their products, but having nice juice flavors is the furthest thing from a smoking gun, and yet it was presented as one.
- dmurray 5y ago
  > No one is making similar arguments to ban tasty liquor. People do make these arguments, and they catch on from time to time. There was a moral panic about alcopops in the 1990s in the UK [0]. They weren't banned by regulators but several supermarket chains stopped selling them. [0] https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-23502892 https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-23502892
  - Symbiote 5y ago
    Some supermarkets not selling them didn't last very long. The government increased the tax on alcopops several times, but in the 00s the big drink companies started promoting Swedish i.e. sugary cider. Now your 1990s alcopop has some ös in the name and 10% added apple juice.
- aliasEli 5y ago
  Many ex-smokers try tobacco flavors when they start vaping. Many switch to other flavors after a while, because tobacco does not really taste nice.
- Talanes 5y ago
  Somehow every anti-vape campaign I've seen that tries that argument only makes vaping look more desirable. "Flavors so good that kids don't find them gross" is a pretty decent draw.
- hwayne 5y ago
  Juul's advertising was specifically targeted at teens: https://www.vox.com/2019/1/25/18194953/vape-juul-e-cigarette-marketing https://www.vox.com/2019/1/25/18194953/vape-juul-e-cigarette... (Referenced paper: http://tobacco.stanford.edu/tobacco_main/publications/JUUL_Marketing_Stanford.pdf http://tobacco.stanford.edu/tobacco_main/publications/JUUL_M...) Juul bought ads on socialstudiesforkids, dailydressupagames, and collegeconfidential: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/12/health/juul-vaping-lawsuit.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/12/health/juul-vaping-lawsui...
  - smolder 5y ago
    Thank you for informing!

smolder 5y ago

I think the argument they are referring to is the one that because there were tasty flavors, the products were targeting youth... as if adults do not enjoy tasty flavors. That's one way regulators rationalized bans on vaping products. No one is making similar arguments to ban tasty liquor. I haven't ruled out that they were trying to target youth with their products, but having nice juice flavors is the furthest thing from a smoking gun, and yet it was presented as one.

dmurray 5y ago
> No one is making similar arguments to ban tasty liquor. People do make these arguments, and they catch on from time to time. There was a moral panic about alcopops in the 1990s in the UK [0]. They weren't banned by regulators but several supermarket chains stopped selling them. [0] https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-23502892 https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-23502892
- Symbiote 5y ago
  Some supermarkets not selling them didn't last very long. The government increased the tax on alcopops several times, but in the 00s the big drink companies started promoting Swedish i.e. sugary cider. Now your 1990s alcopop has some ös in the name and 10% added apple juice.
aliasEli 5y ago
Many ex-smokers try tobacco flavors when they start vaping. Many switch to other flavors after a while, because tobacco does not really taste nice.
Talanes 5y ago
Somehow every anti-vape campaign I've seen that tries that argument only makes vaping look more desirable. "Flavors so good that kids don't find them gross" is a pretty decent draw.
hwayne 5y ago
Juul's advertising was specifically targeted at teens: https://www.vox.com/2019/1/25/18194953/vape-juul-e-cigarette-marketing https://www.vox.com/2019/1/25/18194953/vape-juul-e-cigarette... (Referenced paper: http://tobacco.stanford.edu/tobacco_main/publications/JUUL_Marketing_Stanford.pdf http://tobacco.stanford.edu/tobacco_main/publications/JUUL_M...) Juul bought ads on socialstudiesforkids, dailydressupagames, and collegeconfidential: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/12/health/juul-vaping-lawsuit.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/12/health/juul-vaping-lawsui...
- smolder 5y ago
  Thank you for informing!