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Find and replace China with US and reality still makes sense. Then the US expects the rest of the world to follow their rule based order, where no one knows wh

Find and replace China with US and reality still makes sense. Then the US expects the rest of the world to follow their rule based order, where no one knows what the freaking rules are except rules for thee but for me(US).

eru 5y ago
Most American rules don't apply overseas. Eg they can spy on foreigners all they like.
- lucian1900 5y ago
  And they have a special rule that they’ll invade The Hague if US war criminals are ever tried there. All those presidents and generals and spooks are safe from justice.
  - Vinnl 5y ago
    You're talking about the The Hague Invasion Act: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hague_Invasion_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hague_Invasion_Act Just a note, the US doesn't need permission from the Netherlands to invade them, of course. However, as I understand it, usually the US president needs permission from Congress before deciding to invade another country. In this case, Congress has given permission in advance to invade the Netherlands if the ICC tries a US citizen.
    - eru 5y ago
      > However, as I understand it, usually the US president needs permission from Congress before deciding to invade another country. Only for declaration of war. The US hasn't declared war on anyone in since WWII. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaration_of_war_by_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaration_of_war_by_the_Unit...
- akudha 5y ago
  Didn’t U.S pharma companies used to sell drugs overseas that is banned on U.S soil? I don’t know if that is still the case. While collecting data like fingerprints etc is bad, collecting DNA is on whole another level. Imagine using it for immigration purposes for example. Or the govt makes you get a license to have kids (like marriage license today) based on DNA traits. These things might sound comical today, but the social score thing sounded comical too, until it became a reality
  - baybal2 5y ago
    Genetic disease screening before marriage, and fetal deformity screening been mandatory in China for decades.
  - eru 5y ago
    > Didn’t U.S pharma companies used to sell drugs overseas that is banned on U.S soil? I don’t know if that is still the case. Well everything that's not approved by the FDA (yet), but already approved somewhere else would fall into this category. That's hardly a black mark against those companies.
BobbyJo 5y ago
"No one knows the rules." What? The US legal system is incredibly strictly codified. It's literally the main draw for foreign investment. If you ask any investor on the planet what the largest difference between the US and China is for investments, it's regulatory risk. This is one of the most wildly off base things I've seen people say with regard to US vs China.
- rorykoehler 5y ago
  Lots of startup business models have been based around breaking the rules and then asking for forgiveness. See Uber etc
  - BobbyJo 5y ago
    What rules did Uber break? I was under the impression that the startup model was to do things there are no rules for yet, and grow fast enough that you get to influence them when they're made.
    - PedroBatista 5y ago
      > What rules did Uber break? Many and there's a long list. Almost every city had strict rules about passenger transportation, Uber obviously knew this and ignore them all. That's another reason they raised $25.2B in funding over 30 rounds, to become so big even big cities became small compared to them and they could use the "See you in court" tactic, by that point yeah they lose many cases, so what? They are so big cities and governments were pressured to change the laws to suit Uber. Nothing is black and white, before Uber the business wasn't exactly fair and clean but Uber applied the scumbag business tactic to a whole new level and it was amplified by the billions of dollars in funding.
      - BobbyJo 5y ago
        Any citations on the laws they broke? Edit: I'll take the down as a 'No' :P

eru 5y ago

Most American rules don't apply overseas. Eg they can spy on foreigners all they like.

lucian1900 5y ago
And they have a special rule that they’ll invade The Hague if US war criminals are ever tried there. All those presidents and generals and spooks are safe from justice.
- Vinnl 5y ago
  You're talking about the The Hague Invasion Act: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hague_Invasion_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hague_Invasion_Act Just a note, the US doesn't need permission from the Netherlands to invade them, of course. However, as I understand it, usually the US president needs permission from Congress before deciding to invade another country. In this case, Congress has given permission in advance to invade the Netherlands if the ICC tries a US citizen.
  - eru 5y ago
    > However, as I understand it, usually the US president needs permission from Congress before deciding to invade another country. Only for declaration of war. The US hasn't declared war on anyone in since WWII. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaration_of_war_by_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaration_of_war_by_the_Unit...
akudha 5y ago
Didn’t U.S pharma companies used to sell drugs overseas that is banned on U.S soil? I don’t know if that is still the case. While collecting data like fingerprints etc is bad, collecting DNA is on whole another level. Imagine using it for immigration purposes for example. Or the govt makes you get a license to have kids (like marriage license today) based on DNA traits. These things might sound comical today, but the social score thing sounded comical too, until it became a reality
- baybal2 5y ago
  Genetic disease screening before marriage, and fetal deformity screening been mandatory in China for decades.
- eru 5y ago
  > Didn’t U.S pharma companies used to sell drugs overseas that is banned on U.S soil? I don’t know if that is still the case. Well everything that's not approved by the FDA (yet), but already approved somewhere else would fall into this category. That's hardly a black mark against those companies.

BobbyJo 5y ago

"No one knows the rules." What? The US legal system is incredibly strictly codified. It's literally the main draw for foreign investment. If you ask any investor on the planet what the largest difference between the US and China is for investments, it's regulatory risk. This is one of the most wildly off base things I've seen people say with regard to US vs China.

rorykoehler 5y ago
Lots of startup business models have been based around breaking the rules and then asking for forgiveness. See Uber etc
- BobbyJo 5y ago
  What rules did Uber break? I was under the impression that the startup model was to do things there are no rules for yet, and grow fast enough that you get to influence them when they're made.
  - PedroBatista 5y ago
    > What rules did Uber break? Many and there's a long list. Almost every city had strict rules about passenger transportation, Uber obviously knew this and ignore them all. That's another reason they raised $25.2B in funding over 30 rounds, to become so big even big cities became small compared to them and they could use the "See you in court" tactic, by that point yeah they lose many cases, so what? They are so big cities and governments were pressured to change the laws to suit Uber. Nothing is black and white, before Uber the business wasn't exactly fair and clean but Uber applied the scumbag business tactic to a whole new level and it was amplified by the billions of dollars in funding.
    - BobbyJo 5y ago
      Any citations on the laws they broke? Edit: I'll take the down as a 'No' :P