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> With more cold deaths currently than heat deaths I disagree even to that. Any numbers for that statement, at least rough dimensions? And, given world averag

by lb0 5y ago

> With more cold deaths currently than heat deaths I disagree even to that. Any numbers for that statement, at least rough dimensions? And, given world average rising a few more °C, and we get a similar extreme weather condition persisting for few days like described here, but where wet bulb goes not just close/slightly but significantly over 35°C, what will that numbers be in poor.. but heck, even in rich countries? You cannot be serious.. (Adding: Btw.. after all what models tell and we already see, we are in general not getting rid of extreme colds as well, but even getting also more persisting ones of these.. )

SiVal 5y ago
Whether you agree about the relative scale of cold and heat deaths doesn't matter. I say that all lives matter, so lives lost due to heat and lives saved due to heat should BOTH be included in the calculation. And, yes, I'm serious that a life saved due to heat matters just like a life lost due to heat. Are you arguing that lives lost due to warmer temperatures matter, but lives saved by warmer temperatures don't? Or just that the latter problem, say homeless and poor people dying of the cold, is too trivial in your opinion to matter in public policy discussions?
- lb0 5y ago
  > Whether you agree about the relative scale of cold and heat deaths doesn't matter. > Are you arguing that lives lost due to warmer temperatures matter, but lives saved by warmer temperatures don't? I'm arguing that the scale matters, so please give me numbers, which you seem to know at least for the now? It is surely not a 1-to-1 exchange right now, and not in the future. So how many lives lost due to heat vs due to cold now? And what are your predictions for the future (that as far as I get it deviate extremely from scientific consensus)? > say homeless and poor people dying of the cold, is too trivial in your opinion to matter in public policy discussions? Oh come one, now you are trolling me. I didn't say and mean that at all..
rufus_foreman 5y ago
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(15)60897-2/fulltext https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6... Cold weather 20 times deadlier than hot. Moderately high/low temperatures responsible for most of the deaths rather than extremes.

by lb0 5y ago

SiVal 5y ago

Whether you agree about the relative scale of cold and heat deaths doesn't matter. I say that all lives matter, so lives lost due to heat and lives saved due to heat should BOTH be included in the calculation. And, yes, I'm serious that a life saved due to heat matters just like a life lost due to heat. Are you arguing that lives lost due to warmer temperatures matter, but lives saved by warmer temperatures don't? Or just that the latter problem, say homeless and poor people dying of the cold, is too trivial in your opinion to matter in public policy discussions?

lb0 5y ago
> Whether you agree about the relative scale of cold and heat deaths doesn't matter. > Are you arguing that lives lost due to warmer temperatures matter, but lives saved by warmer temperatures don't? I'm arguing that the scale matters, so please give me numbers, which you seem to know at least for the now? It is surely not a 1-to-1 exchange right now, and not in the future. So how many lives lost due to heat vs due to cold now? And what are your predictions for the future (that as far as I get it deviate extremely from scientific consensus)? > say homeless and poor people dying of the cold, is too trivial in your opinion to matter in public policy discussions? Oh come one, now you are trolling me. I didn't say and mean that at all..

rufus_foreman 5y ago

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(15)60897-2/fulltext https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6... Cold weather 20 times deadlier than hot. Moderately high/low temperatures responsible for most of the deaths rather than extremes.