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I can assure you no country in Europe, Hungary or not, sees border protection as fascism.

ajuc 5y ago
I wouldn't call it fascism, but Hungary is certainly nationalist, antiliberal and authoritharian. In last decade government closed, bought or taxed into oblivion all media that were critical of it for example. And the state propaganda (so all media) constantly blames everything on leftists and Jews. And the same is now happening in Poland.
- ArcturianDeath 5y ago
  Theyre spot-on with their nationalism, they have a right to it, and their "state propaganda" bias, its accurate. Blaming the jews and calling-out dumb liberal mentalities is never baseless.
Kim_Bruning 5y ago
Border protection in-and-of-itself is not the thing. I think they mean that heavy migration pressure rightly or wrongly does tend to lead to distrust of "others" in society. And all forms of distrust in society are things that Fascism does prey on.
- ncmncm 5y ago
  Correct. A democratic polity can elect a government that then rescinds, either formally or de-facto, the possibility of democratic transfer of power. Immigration pressure has been seen in numerous instances to drive politics rightwards. Fascism is not a unique state of government, but simply a point on a continuum that can be arbitrarily difficult to turn back from. The point of no return is impossible to discern before it is past. Hungary is in a condition where the government in power is eroding its democratic institutions. Many US states, similarly, have enacted or are in the middle of enacting measures aimed at making it harder for a certain class of citizen to vote. Are Hungary and these states Fascist? By formal definitions, we can never declare any particular government fascist unless they agree, in public. But their actions are characteristic of fascism, and move society in that direction. The practice of hiding behind a formal definition is itself characteristic, post WWII.
  - Dma54rhs 5y ago
    > Hungary is in a condition where the government in power is eroding its democratic institutions. Many US states, similarly, have enacted or are in the middle of enacting measures aimed at making it harder for a certain class of citizen to vote. If Hungary, Poland or any country would come up with the idea of NOT having documentation for voting, EU would come down on them harder than the current LGBT saga. It really depends from what angle you look at it. Most of the world would see in their respective countries what Republicans want/do as common sense. I really don't think this is an issue that you could win people over, that is why it's silence from the international community and it's local politics regarding your states and voting rights.

ajuc 5y ago

I wouldn't call it fascism, but Hungary is certainly nationalist, antiliberal and authoritharian. In last decade government closed, bought or taxed into oblivion all media that were critical of it for example. And the state propaganda (so all media) constantly blames everything on leftists and Jews. And the same is now happening in Poland.

ArcturianDeath 5y ago
Theyre spot-on with their nationalism, they have a right to it, and their "state propaganda" bias, its accurate. Blaming the jews and calling-out dumb liberal mentalities is never baseless.

Kim_Bruning 5y ago

Border protection in-and-of-itself is not the thing. I think they mean that heavy migration pressure rightly or wrongly does tend to lead to distrust of "others" in society. And all forms of distrust in society are things that Fascism does prey on.

ncmncm 5y ago
Correct. A democratic polity can elect a government that then rescinds, either formally or de-facto, the possibility of democratic transfer of power. Immigration pressure has been seen in numerous instances to drive politics rightwards. Fascism is not a unique state of government, but simply a point on a continuum that can be arbitrarily difficult to turn back from. The point of no return is impossible to discern before it is past. Hungary is in a condition where the government in power is eroding its democratic institutions. Many US states, similarly, have enacted or are in the middle of enacting measures aimed at making it harder for a certain class of citizen to vote. Are Hungary and these states Fascist? By formal definitions, we can never declare any particular government fascist unless they agree, in public. But their actions are characteristic of fascism, and move society in that direction. The practice of hiding behind a formal definition is itself characteristic, post WWII.
- Dma54rhs 5y ago
  > Hungary is in a condition where the government in power is eroding its democratic institutions. Many US states, similarly, have enacted or are in the middle of enacting measures aimed at making it harder for a certain class of citizen to vote. If Hungary, Poland or any country would come up with the idea of NOT having documentation for voting, EU would come down on them harder than the current LGBT saga. It really depends from what angle you look at it. Most of the world would see in their respective countries what Republicans want/do as common sense. I really don't think this is an issue that you could win people over, that is why it's silence from the international community and it's local politics regarding your states and voting rights.