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I guess what you’re missing is that in either case there’s a juicy Total Addressable Market. Sad, but there’s enough greedy talent and capital that your calculu

I guess what you’re missing is that in either case there’s a juicy Total Addressable Market. Sad, but there’s enough greedy talent and capital that your calculus doesn’t matter.

godelski 5y ago
While I don't disagree with you, I think we can have better conversations on HN. Honestly I would love to hear from someone with a different opinion than me. I really do want to hear the counter argument. But this is also the technology that made Joseph Redmon[0] (creator of YOLO) leave vision research. We can have ethical discussions. We should have ethical discussions. And different opinions are how we learn. And I do think HN is one of those places to have these ethical conversations. [0] https://pjreddie.com/ https://pjreddie.com/
- throwawaygh 5y ago
  I hope you find a satiating interlocutor, but I think the most obvious explanation is probably the most correct one in this case. I know this theory doesn't exactly satiate one's intellectual curiosity, but sometimes the truth is boring.
  - godelski 5y ago
    I mean I agree, but with how prevalent this is and how profitable it is, I would imagine there's someone selling the technology. Especially here. I really do want to hear their opinions and have mine challenged. Maybe there's something I don't see and I'm overly paranoid. Hopefully we'll see some dissenting opinion.
    - PradeetPatel 5y ago
      I suspect that this kind of technology is already in use by authoritarian regimes with more diverse and relaxed ethical standards when it comes to surveillance.
      - tfigment 5y ago
        Do some research on China and the Uyghurs and make your own call on if that is currently happening.
        godelski 5y ago
        While that's prolific it isn't like we aren't doing it in other parts of the globe. Highlight China, but highlight Europe and the US too.
      - gpvos 5y ago
        > Facial recognition technology has been widely implemented in contemporary China and has become an integral part of people's daily life. (2020) https://www.taylorwessing.com/en/insights-and-events/insights/2020/05/china---facial-recognition-and-its-legal-challenges https://www.taylorwessing.com/en/insights-and-events/insight...

I guess what you’re missing is that in either case there’s a juicy Total Addressable Market. Sad, but there’s enough greedy talent and capital that your calculus doesn’t matter.

godelski 5y ago

While I don't disagree with you, I think we can have better conversations on HN. Honestly I would love to hear from someone with a different opinion than me. I really do want to hear the counter argument. But this is also the technology that made Joseph Redmon[0] (creator of YOLO) leave vision research. We can have ethical discussions. We should have ethical discussions. And different opinions are how we learn. And I do think HN is one of those places to have these ethical conversations. [0] https://pjreddie.com/ https://pjreddie.com/

throwawaygh 5y ago
I hope you find a satiating interlocutor, but I think the most obvious explanation is probably the most correct one in this case. I know this theory doesn't exactly satiate one's intellectual curiosity, but sometimes the truth is boring.
- godelski 5y ago
  I mean I agree, but with how prevalent this is and how profitable it is, I would imagine there's someone selling the technology. Especially here. I really do want to hear their opinions and have mine challenged. Maybe there's something I don't see and I'm overly paranoid. Hopefully we'll see some dissenting opinion.
  - PradeetPatel 5y ago
    I suspect that this kind of technology is already in use by authoritarian regimes with more diverse and relaxed ethical standards when it comes to surveillance.
    - tfigment 5y ago
      Do some research on China and the Uyghurs and make your own call on if that is currently happening.
      - godelski 5y ago
        While that's prolific it isn't like we aren't doing it in other parts of the globe. Highlight China, but highlight Europe and the US too.
    - gpvos 5y ago
      > Facial recognition technology has been widely implemented in contemporary China and has become an integral part of people's daily life. (2020) https://www.taylorwessing.com/en/insights-and-events/insights/2020/05/china---facial-recognition-and-its-legal-challenges https://www.taylorwessing.com/en/insights-and-events/insight...