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Going undercover to infiltrate Chinese-American far-right networks

2 points by pmoriarty 5y ago

zepto 5y ago
A very interesting topic, but the article is like something written by a 5 year old.
- pmoriarty 5y ago
  Completely disagree. It reads pretty much like every other BBC article, and is actually more substantial than most.
  - zepto 5y ago
    What’s the most substantial thing you read in it?
hooplah 5y ago
Terrible bias in this article. Chinese-Americans can't be on the right side of the spectrum without being conspiracy theorists? Maybe they don't like cozying up to the CCP like Democrats have been seemingly doing. Many reasons to not be liberal, and being crazy isn't one of them. "Infiltrate" and "go under cover" all you want, you're the only conspiracy theorist! Maybe if you mix in Proud Boys, QAnon, and the "ok" sign even more you'll get more clicks. I don't see any name dropping of Antifa or anyone that's actually killed anyone (CHAZ, BLM riots), strangely... This article pretends like the virus wasn't most likely a lab leak. Saying "blaming China for the pandemic shifts focus from criticism of the Trump administration's response and plays into the increasingly negative public opinion of China." Which gov let it out, which gov bought up PPE beforehand, which gov said it wasn't transmissible until late Jan, which gov shut down domestic flights to/from Wuhan but left international flights open? CCP.
- ggm 5y ago
  Putting to one side you don't like the article, do you disagree with the premise there is an unfortunate nexus between much chinese-american political activism and the far right?
  - hooplah 5y ago
    I believe that Chinese-Americans have a reason to support the right's tough stance on China. Let's ask Eric Swalwell & Fang Fang. I also believe most are just normal Americans that happen to also be conservative. It's a thing, doesn't have to be a big conspiracy. I also don't view it as an "unfortunate nexus" as I don't view being on the right a bad thing. I welcome anyone to be a conservative, including Chinese-Americans.
    - ggm 5y ago
      I do regard it as deeply unfortunate because it has fuelled oppositional politics between the US and China which is unhelpful in the medium-short term. And, because it aligns to views I disagree with like constraints on womens reproductive rights (I believe this is a fundamental human right) and views on religion which I dislike intensely. So I see a very unfortunate nexus of China-as-a-state political-hate, pentecostalism, anti-abortion views. There are very few organized socialist chinese-americans in the press right now. So, this is pretty one-sided because I believe underneath the "race" side of things, a lot of people in the chinese community probably believe in what I call socialism here: Basic human rights, and social services. The US right wing is fighting to remove these, and remove basic human rights like abortion. So yes. To me? this is very unfortunate. As to the conspiracy side, well, Q gotta Q. But I would worry there is a tendency to agglomerate into these cesspits of political lunacy, to leverage it for short-term gain.
      - hooplah 5y ago
        You have to know that the right is a far spectrum. As a libertarian conservative I support abortion, but not late-term abortion or post birth. That and religion in general is mainly an evangelical right thing and is less popular within the party nowadays.
- justshowpost 5y ago
  > Many reasons to not be liberal Well, BBC is much more left than liberal outlet these days, and liberal ≠ leftist. Despite of some similarities and the apparent alliance, there is a number of drastic differences in their views. Take a look: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlIjMJBSnRE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlIjMJBSnRE
  - hooplah 5y ago
    I know, I was speaking to the fact that they are right leaning. The point to that sentence was to say there are reasons to not be left leaning (leftist or liberal) that don't involve conspiracies.
    - justshowpost 5y ago
      Yeah, that's just a common moderate-to-far left media cliche to form «a new normal» world picture where entire right part of spectrum declared fringe loonies. Because (in contrast to liberals) leftists doesn't allow the very existence of any alternate ideas. For example, in Soviet Russia leftists even mass-executed a substantial number of left communists for being more left than Bolsheviks.
justshowpost 5y ago
Looks like typical scaremongering about all things Right to me. Also too much focus on Chinese-American as identity group, I fail to see how it is significant. Would these bad bad conservatives really reject the journalist based on just skin color?

2 points by pmoriarty 5y ago

zepto 5y ago

A very interesting topic, but the article is like something written by a 5 year old.

pmoriarty 5y ago
Completely disagree. It reads pretty much like every other BBC article, and is actually more substantial than most.
- zepto 5y ago
  What’s the most substantial thing you read in it?

hooplah 5y ago

Terrible bias in this article. Chinese-Americans can't be on the right side of the spectrum without being conspiracy theorists? Maybe they don't like cozying up to the CCP like Democrats have been seemingly doing. Many reasons to not be liberal, and being crazy isn't one of them. "Infiltrate" and "go under cover" all you want, you're the only conspiracy theorist! Maybe if you mix in Proud Boys, QAnon, and the "ok" sign even more you'll get more clicks. I don't see any name dropping of Antifa or anyone that's actually killed anyone (CHAZ, BLM riots), strangely... This article pretends like the virus wasn't most likely a lab leak. Saying "blaming China for the pandemic shifts focus from criticism of the Trump administration's response and plays into the increasingly negative public opinion of China." Which gov let it out, which gov bought up PPE beforehand, which gov said it wasn't transmissible until late Jan, which gov shut down domestic flights to/from Wuhan but left international flights open? CCP.

ggm 5y ago
Putting to one side you don't like the article, do you disagree with the premise there is an unfortunate nexus between much chinese-american political activism and the far right?
- hooplah 5y ago
  I believe that Chinese-Americans have a reason to support the right's tough stance on China. Let's ask Eric Swalwell & Fang Fang. I also believe most are just normal Americans that happen to also be conservative. It's a thing, doesn't have to be a big conspiracy. I also don't view it as an "unfortunate nexus" as I don't view being on the right a bad thing. I welcome anyone to be a conservative, including Chinese-Americans.
  - ggm 5y ago
    I do regard it as deeply unfortunate because it has fuelled oppositional politics between the US and China which is unhelpful in the medium-short term. And, because it aligns to views I disagree with like constraints on womens reproductive rights (I believe this is a fundamental human right) and views on religion which I dislike intensely. So I see a very unfortunate nexus of China-as-a-state political-hate, pentecostalism, anti-abortion views. There are very few organized socialist chinese-americans in the press right now. So, this is pretty one-sided because I believe underneath the "race" side of things, a lot of people in the chinese community probably believe in what I call socialism here: Basic human rights, and social services. The US right wing is fighting to remove these, and remove basic human rights like abortion. So yes. To me? this is very unfortunate. As to the conspiracy side, well, Q gotta Q. But I would worry there is a tendency to agglomerate into these cesspits of political lunacy, to leverage it for short-term gain.
    - hooplah 5y ago
      You have to know that the right is a far spectrum. As a libertarian conservative I support abortion, but not late-term abortion or post birth. That and religion in general is mainly an evangelical right thing and is less popular within the party nowadays.
justshowpost 5y ago
> Many reasons to not be liberal Well, BBC is much more left than liberal outlet these days, and liberal ≠ leftist. Despite of some similarities and the apparent alliance, there is a number of drastic differences in their views. Take a look: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlIjMJBSnRE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlIjMJBSnRE
- hooplah 5y ago
  I know, I was speaking to the fact that they are right leaning. The point to that sentence was to say there are reasons to not be left leaning (leftist or liberal) that don't involve conspiracies.
  - justshowpost 5y ago
    Yeah, that's just a common moderate-to-far left media cliche to form «a new normal» world picture where entire right part of spectrum declared fringe loonies. Because (in contrast to liberals) leftists doesn't allow the very existence of any alternate ideas. For example, in Soviet Russia leftists even mass-executed a substantial number of left communists for being more left than Bolsheviks.

justshowpost 5y ago

Looks like typical scaremongering about all things Right to me. Also too much focus on Chinese-American as identity group, I fail to see how it is significant. Would these bad bad conservatives really reject the journalist based on just skin color?