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Well put. But isn't the concern here with some utilities becoming ... people? Either way could result in disfigured souls. Is AI simply a pursuit of slavery wit

Well put. But isn't the concern here with some utilities becoming ... people? Either way could result in disfigured souls. Is AI simply a pursuit of slavery without guilt?

munificent 5y ago
> Is AI simply a pursuit of slavery without guilt? Or simply a pursuit of labor without pay?
- salawat 5y ago
  Always has been.
- BlueTemplar 5y ago
  Yeah, it's literally the etymology of "robot".
at_a_remove 5y ago
That is a whole 'nother ball of wax. Consider someone wanting an AI. What exactly do they want? Well, is it a mind? Because we have seven billion of those and we can make more on demand. Takes a bit but they're pretty flexible. Once you start asking questions about what kind of mind you would like, aside from the pathological types who want a trapped and helpless mind to torture (and don't think that there won't be people who would get their jollies that way), most people seem to have a kind of subconscious archetype of an old-fashioned butler (I assure you I did not pick the profession based on irony). Your butler -- knows your business but rarely contradicts, perhaps corrects. Slides into the background when not needed, simply ... minding things. Perhaps not watched over by machines of loving grace, as Brautigan would have it, but tended to, looked out for. Without needs or drives or goals of their own to interfere with our individual or collective desires. Yes, the idea of AI does seem to converge on a fantastically intelligent p-zed in a nice suit, a less bloodthirsty form of some of the minds encountered in Watts' Blindsight, unencumbered by interior experience, desires and attachment, or what arises from thwarted desire and attachment, suffering.
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SuoDuanDao 5y ago
I think at it's best, it's a pursuit of alien intelligence compatible but different from our own.
trhway 5y ago
>Is AI simply a pursuit of slavery without guilt? No, ultimately AI is the pursuit of conscious existence without associated burden of bodily suffering. Breaking out of the karma wheel so to speak.
sneak 5y ago
Why do people have children? A strong AI would, by most definitions, be the child of its creator(s).

Well put. But isn't the concern here with some utilities becoming ... people? Either way could result in disfigured souls. Is AI simply a pursuit of slavery without guilt?

munificent 5y ago

> Is AI simply a pursuit of slavery without guilt? Or simply a pursuit of labor without pay?

salawat 5y ago
Always has been.
BlueTemplar 5y ago
Yeah, it's literally the etymology of "robot".

at_a_remove 5y ago

That is a whole 'nother ball of wax. Consider someone wanting an AI. What exactly do they want? Well, is it a mind? Because we have seven billion of those and we can make more on demand. Takes a bit but they're pretty flexible. Once you start asking questions about what kind of mind you would like, aside from the pathological types who want a trapped and helpless mind to torture (and don't think that there won't be people who would get their jollies that way), most people seem to have a kind of subconscious archetype of an old-fashioned butler (I assure you I did not pick the profession based on irony). Your butler -- knows your business but rarely contradicts, perhaps corrects. Slides into the background when not needed, simply ... minding things. Perhaps not watched over by machines of loving grace, as Brautigan would have it, but tended to, looked out for. Without needs or drives or goals of their own to interfere with our individual or collective desires. Yes, the idea of AI does seem to converge on a fantastically intelligent p-zed in a nice suit, a less bloodthirsty form of some of the minds encountered in Watts' Blindsight, unencumbered by interior experience, desires and attachment, or what arises from thwarted desire and attachment, suffering.

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SuoDuanDao 5y ago

I think at it's best, it's a pursuit of alien intelligence compatible but different from our own.

trhway 5y ago

>Is AI simply a pursuit of slavery without guilt? No, ultimately AI is the pursuit of conscious existence without associated burden of bodily suffering. Breaking out of the karma wheel so to speak.

sneak 5y ago

Why do people have children? A strong AI would, by most definitions, be the child of its creator(s).