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I think there is a bit of a selection bias going on in that subreddit. I finished undergrad last May and had multiple offers to choose from well before I even

I think there is a bit of a selection bias going on in that subreddit. I finished undergrad last May and had multiple offers to choose from well before I even graduated. Maybe covid has slowed hiring since, though.

whimsicalism 5y ago
Eh, I talk to a fair number of undergrads and I think it has been tough this past year.
- jshen 5y ago
  Something is off then. Are they in big cities? Do they not know where/how to apply? We’ve had a hard time hiring anyone, including entry level.
  - whimsicalism 5y ago
    I mean, what sort of compensation are you offering? Also - I'm talking about last year, not now. But I am recently out of college and have not even passed resume screen by a few companies despite referral, credentials, etc.
    - jshen 5y ago
      We’re not a big tech company, so comp isn’t quite what it is at Amazon, FB, etc. but, it’s solid. 100k+ salary, annual grant of restricted stock units, good health and other benefits etc. Having said that, there’s a contradiction in claiming that college grads can’t find jobs while suggesting that a company offering six figures can’t find people because of comp.
      - whimsicalism 5y ago
        > while suggesting that a company offering six figures can’t find people because of comp. Never said that - but if you had answered $50k, I probably would have! I'm surprised you are having trouble hiring people - but perhaps if you are in the Bay and hiring new grads, they might be surprised when it is in the low $100ks.
      - zo1 5y ago
        Are you offering remote? That might be a big factor that could influence things at this point in time.
        jshen 5y ago
        We do, but that’s not the point. Someone suggested that new comp sci grads are having a very hard time finding work. I don’t believe that given how hot the market is right now. If anyone is having real trouble, then they are either being selective (won’t move to a big city, have high demands, etc), OR something is wrong. Maybe their resume is terrible, maybe they are bad at interviews, etc.
        whimsicalism 5y ago
        There are many companies where I don't get past the resume screen as a new grad, meanwhile the companies I do get interviews with will come back with an offer >$200k. But I have to apply to 20-30 companies to get 1 interview, so there is clearly a problem at the resume-screening stage for new grads.
        jshen 5y ago
        That’s because a recruiter or HR person screens resumes at most big companies. I always tell them to send me all the resumes so I can screen them myself. Have to find a way to get past the HR screen until you have experience. Somethings that work: go to meetups. Often times the hiring manager or a tech team member is there and you can meet them directly. Apply at startups that don’t have a recruiting department yet. Email the tech team directly if you can figure out who they are.
  - bboylen 5y ago
    What city are you in, if I may ask?
    - jshen 5y ago
      We offices in several cities. LA, Seattle, and more.
  - akomtu 5y ago
    Have you adjusted your pay for inflation? The rent prices have nearly doubled in ten years, so if you offer 100k today, it's like offering 60k in 2011.
    - jshen 5y ago
      Starting salaries were around 75-80k ten years ago. Again, there’s a contradiction in the claim that college grads in comp sci can’t find jobs, and the suggestion you are making.
antiterra 5y ago
New grad jobs are often a completely different pool from the rest of the roles, so that doesn’t necessarily conflict.
rejectedandsad 5y ago
I only had 4 offers to choose from. It's a bimodal distribution between the 200K+ 0YOE folks and everyone else.
- skeeter2020 5y ago
  >> I only had 4 offers to choose from I busted ass to get a single job; how is "only" 4 offers not amazing?
- smabie 5y ago
  4 is a lot
  - rejectedandsad 5y ago
    Is it? Most folks seem to have like 6-7. Only 2 of mine were "real" from full time interviews, other two were from internships. I had a really low hit rate and didn't get into any top companies.
    - smabie 5y ago
      Stop comparing yourself to other people and focus on your self. I'm sure you can achieve what you desire. I for example didn't graduate for hs and college, and yet, I managed to get to a place in life which my younger self would have classified as "wild ly successful." However, everyone (including me) always wants more, and massively takes for granted their current situation. So I get it, but keep your head down and keep on climbing!

whimsicalism 5y ago

Eh, I talk to a fair number of undergrads and I think it has been tough this past year.

jshen 5y ago
Something is off then. Are they in big cities? Do they not know where/how to apply? We’ve had a hard time hiring anyone, including entry level.
- whimsicalism 5y ago
  I mean, what sort of compensation are you offering? Also - I'm talking about last year, not now. But I am recently out of college and have not even passed resume screen by a few companies despite referral, credentials, etc.
  - jshen 5y ago
    We’re not a big tech company, so comp isn’t quite what it is at Amazon, FB, etc. but, it’s solid. 100k+ salary, annual grant of restricted stock units, good health and other benefits etc. Having said that, there’s a contradiction in claiming that college grads can’t find jobs while suggesting that a company offering six figures can’t find people because of comp.
    - whimsicalism 5y ago
      > while suggesting that a company offering six figures can’t find people because of comp. Never said that - but if you had answered $50k, I probably would have! I'm surprised you are having trouble hiring people - but perhaps if you are in the Bay and hiring new grads, they might be surprised when it is in the low $100ks.
    - zo1 5y ago
      Are you offering remote? That might be a big factor that could influence things at this point in time.
      - jshen 5y ago
        We do, but that’s not the point. Someone suggested that new comp sci grads are having a very hard time finding work. I don’t believe that given how hot the market is right now. If anyone is having real trouble, then they are either being selective (won’t move to a big city, have high demands, etc), OR something is wrong. Maybe their resume is terrible, maybe they are bad at interviews, etc.
        whimsicalism 5y ago
        There are many companies where I don't get past the resume screen as a new grad, meanwhile the companies I do get interviews with will come back with an offer >$200k. But I have to apply to 20-30 companies to get 1 interview, so there is clearly a problem at the resume-screening stage for new grads.
        jshen 5y ago
        That’s because a recruiter or HR person screens resumes at most big companies. I always tell them to send me all the resumes so I can screen them myself. Have to find a way to get past the HR screen until you have experience. Somethings that work: go to meetups. Often times the hiring manager or a tech team member is there and you can meet them directly. Apply at startups that don’t have a recruiting department yet. Email the tech team directly if you can figure out who they are.
- bboylen 5y ago
  What city are you in, if I may ask?
  - jshen 5y ago
    We offices in several cities. LA, Seattle, and more.
- akomtu 5y ago
  Have you adjusted your pay for inflation? The rent prices have nearly doubled in ten years, so if you offer 100k today, it's like offering 60k in 2011.
  - jshen 5y ago
    Starting salaries were around 75-80k ten years ago. Again, there’s a contradiction in the claim that college grads in comp sci can’t find jobs, and the suggestion you are making.

antiterra 5y ago

New grad jobs are often a completely different pool from the rest of the roles, so that doesn’t necessarily conflict.

rejectedandsad 5y ago

I only had 4 offers to choose from. It's a bimodal distribution between the 200K+ 0YOE folks and everyone else.

skeeter2020 5y ago
>> I only had 4 offers to choose from I busted ass to get a single job; how is "only" 4 offers not amazing?
smabie 5y ago
4 is a lot
- rejectedandsad 5y ago
  Is it? Most folks seem to have like 6-7. Only 2 of mine were "real" from full time interviews, other two were from internships. I had a really low hit rate and didn't get into any top companies.
  - smabie 5y ago
    Stop comparing yourself to other people and focus on your self. I'm sure you can achieve what you desire. I for example didn't graduate for hs and college, and yet, I managed to get to a place in life which my younger self would have classified as "wild ly successful." However, everyone (including me) always wants more, and massively takes for granted their current situation. So I get it, but keep your head down and keep on climbing!