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150k dead in the entirety of the small nation of Czechia. Yikes, that's a lot. I would not use the modifier "only" to describe that death toll. That's 1.4% of t

150k dead in the entirety of the small nation of Czechia. Yikes, that's a lot. I would not use the modifier "only" to describe that death toll. That's 1.4% of the nation's population. For context, that's about 43% of the total WW2 deaths of that nation done in a fraction of the time. I hope the "costs within budget" was worth that.

rsj_hn 5y ago
Please cite a source for 150K, as that's pretty outlandish. Official government data is 30,311 dead here: https://onemocneni-aktualne.mzcr.cz/covid-19 https://onemocneni-aktualne.mzcr.cz/covid-19 The czech republic, in general, has below average respiratory outcomes due to higher than average levels of smoking and historically high levels of air pollution under communism (they burned brown coal), as well as an older population (1% of the population experiences acute respiratory infections each year). But all of these factors are improving, with cleaner air, declining smoking rates, etc.
- pedrosorio 5y ago
  > Please cite a source for 150K Read the parent of the comment you responded to.
- SonicScrub 5y ago
  I think you're very confused on the context of my comment. The link that this thread goes to is a simulator that mimics controlling COVID spread in the Czech Republic based on player-controlled government initiatives. I'm replying to someone who said they got 150k deaths in the game. My comment has nothing to do with real world COVID numbers in the Czech Republic.
- gus_massa 5y ago
  Go to https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?tab=table&zoomToSelection=true&time=2021-06-30..latest&pickerSort=asc&pickerMetric=location&hideControls=true&Metric=Confirmed+deaths&Interval=Cumulative&Relative+to+Population=true&Align+outbreaks=false https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explor... and sort by total death. In the first position is Peru with ~6000 death/million. After that there are a bunch of countries with ~3000 death/million including Czechia. And then the number goes down. Czechia has ~11000000 habitants, so 150K/11M is like ~13000 death/million that is the double of the current country with more death/million and like four time bigger than the other countries.
anoncake 5y ago
No, that's not a lot. It's only 1%. Much less than the cost of lockdowns. Obviously less than 150% of the population gets infected in real life.
- barbazoo 5y ago
  > No, that's not a lot. It's only 1%. Much less than the cost of lockdowns. Apart from the fact that I can't fathom how you could say that 1% of an entire country's population is "not a lot", do you have a source for how many people died as "cost of lockdowns"? I see this being regurgitated a lot but I doubt that more people died due to lockdowns/restrictions than from Covid19 itself.
  - anoncake 5y ago
    Everyone lost more than one year of their life. That alone outweights any benefit.
    - barbazoo 5y ago
      What do you mean by "lost"? As far as I know we still lived, albeit in more or less restricted circumstances. I would suggest taking a step back and reevaluating if the past year really has been worse than dying.
      - anoncake 5y ago
        It absolutely has.
        barbazoo 5y ago
        Dying is objectively worse. Don't get me wrong but just in case you're not in a good place, please find somebody to talk to about this. Friends, family, your family doctor, a mental health hotline, anyone. Heck, contact me if you feel like you're out of options, base64 encoded email aGFja2VybmV3c2NvbnRhY3RAZmFzdG1haWwuY29tCg==
shusaku 5y ago
Also if you use the do nothing strategy, you end up with an economic cost of 400B+. It’s really bad bang for your buck…

rsj_hn 5y ago

Please cite a source for 150K, as that's pretty outlandish. Official government data is 30,311 dead here: https://onemocneni-aktualne.mzcr.cz/covid-19 https://onemocneni-aktualne.mzcr.cz/covid-19 The czech republic, in general, has below average respiratory outcomes due to higher than average levels of smoking and historically high levels of air pollution under communism (they burned brown coal), as well as an older population (1% of the population experiences acute respiratory infections each year). But all of these factors are improving, with cleaner air, declining smoking rates, etc.

pedrosorio 5y ago
> Please cite a source for 150K Read the parent of the comment you responded to.
SonicScrub 5y ago
I think you're very confused on the context of my comment. The link that this thread goes to is a simulator that mimics controlling COVID spread in the Czech Republic based on player-controlled government initiatives. I'm replying to someone who said they got 150k deaths in the game. My comment has nothing to do with real world COVID numbers in the Czech Republic.
gus_massa 5y ago
Go to https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?tab=table&zoomToSelection=true&time=2021-06-30..latest&pickerSort=asc&pickerMetric=location&hideControls=true&Metric=Confirmed+deaths&Interval=Cumulative&Relative+to+Population=true&Align+outbreaks=false https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explor... and sort by total death. In the first position is Peru with ~6000 death/million. After that there are a bunch of countries with ~3000 death/million including Czechia. And then the number goes down. Czechia has ~11000000 habitants, so 150K/11M is like ~13000 death/million that is the double of the current country with more death/million and like four time bigger than the other countries.

anoncake 5y ago

No, that's not a lot. It's only 1%. Much less than the cost of lockdowns. Obviously less than 150% of the population gets infected in real life.

barbazoo 5y ago
> No, that's not a lot. It's only 1%. Much less than the cost of lockdowns. Apart from the fact that I can't fathom how you could say that 1% of an entire country's population is "not a lot", do you have a source for how many people died as "cost of lockdowns"? I see this being regurgitated a lot but I doubt that more people died due to lockdowns/restrictions than from Covid19 itself.
- anoncake 5y ago
  Everyone lost more than one year of their life. That alone outweights any benefit.
  - barbazoo 5y ago
    What do you mean by "lost"? As far as I know we still lived, albeit in more or less restricted circumstances. I would suggest taking a step back and reevaluating if the past year really has been worse than dying.
    - anoncake 5y ago
      It absolutely has.
      - barbazoo 5y ago
        Dying is objectively worse. Don't get me wrong but just in case you're not in a good place, please find somebody to talk to about this. Friends, family, your family doctor, a mental health hotline, anyone. Heck, contact me if you feel like you're out of options, base64 encoded email aGFja2VybmV3c2NvbnRhY3RAZmFzdG1haWwuY29tCg==

shusaku 5y ago

Also if you use the do nothing strategy, you end up with an economic cost of 400B+. It’s really bad bang for your buck…