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Is it just me or does this look like flowered up jupyter? Idk, I'm a bit sceptical-JetBrains have a few really solid products but all the ones that come with a

Is it just me or does this look like flowered up jupyter? Idk, I'm a bit sceptical-JetBrains have a few really solid products but all the ones that come with a web interface are... I can't think of a word that can truly describe them. You get the idea.

proverbialbunny 5y ago
You're not the only one thinking it. It seems like everyone today sells a cloud JupyterLab / Jupyter Notebook instance, from Google Colab on. What makes Jetbrain's iteration far better than any of the other competitors? So far nothing?
- _old_dude_ 5y ago
  The two pain points of using a Jupyter Notebook are, cell dependencies, not being able to partially re-compute only what's needed when you change something like Excel does, and missing a concept of library/immutable codes. JetBrain is specialized in listening devs, code mining and smooth integration. It seems like a good match, at least in my head :)
- bhl 5y ago
  I don't think jupyter by default comes with real time collaborative editing.
isoprophlex 5y ago
I greatly enjoy using pycharm, but the jupyter integration is and extremely mediocre way of using notebooks... which themselves have issues for serious development work. I'm not really getting excited over this, sadly. It's an enterprise-branded product, but nothing in this product stops people from writing the same old spaghetti. Then it's up to the engineers to figure out a way to get the spaghetti to behave. I'd rather see some dev platform that forces an analyst or data scientist to think about integrating with other infrastructure in a sane way. Your code, conformed and embedded into some CI/CD pipeline. easy to set up data pipelines. unit/integration/data integrity test boilerplate generators geared towards data science. (I know I'm probably describing something that's impossible... one can dream)
- trollied 5y ago
  DataSpell might solve your problems https://www.jetbrains.com/dataspell/ https://www.jetbrains.com/dataspell/ Curently in private beta (just sign up for it, you'll get access).
- jshen 5y ago
  :shakes-fists: why doesn’t everyone understand software engineering as well as the software engineers. Wait, let’s force it on them, what could go wrong?
dudus 5y ago
Yeah, seems so to me. Add it to the list. https://cloud.google.com/notebooks https://cloud.google.com/notebooks https://notebooks.azure.com/ https://notebooks.azure.com/ https://aws.amazon.com/emr/features/notebooks https://aws.amazon.com/emr/features/notebooks https://colab.research.google.com/ https://colab.research.google.com/ https://www.kaggle.com/code https://www.kaggle.com/code https://gradient.paperspace.com/ https://gradient.paperspace.com/
- ahurmazda 5y ago
  Might even be closer to rstudio server[1]. License software but run it on your own hardware. IMHO no one has yet come close to rstudio in terms of providing a complete-ish solution: multiple account support, full-featured ide, hosting env taken care of etc. [1] https://www.rstudio.com/products/rstudio/ https://www.rstudio.com/products/rstudio/ edit: clarify
  - wodenokoto 5y ago
    rstudio server makes it really easy to have an airgapped environment, which can be important for companies.
- sidmitra 5y ago
  There's also https://deepnote.com/ https://deepnote.com/ which i've seen used in a few fintech startups.
Terretta 5y ago
> Is it just me or does this look like flowered up Jupyter? Must be JetBrains’ headline writers too, since the headline is “Announcing Datalore Enterprise – The Smart and Secure Jupyter Environment for Data Science Teams” making it sound rather like flowered up Jupyter.

proverbialbunny 5y ago

You're not the only one thinking it. It seems like everyone today sells a cloud JupyterLab / Jupyter Notebook instance, from Google Colab on. What makes Jetbrain's iteration far better than any of the other competitors? So far nothing?

_old_dude_ 5y ago
The two pain points of using a Jupyter Notebook are, cell dependencies, not being able to partially re-compute only what's needed when you change something like Excel does, and missing a concept of library/immutable codes. JetBrain is specialized in listening devs, code mining and smooth integration. It seems like a good match, at least in my head :)
bhl 5y ago
I don't think jupyter by default comes with real time collaborative editing.

isoprophlex 5y ago

I greatly enjoy using pycharm, but the jupyter integration is and extremely mediocre way of using notebooks... which themselves have issues for serious development work. I'm not really getting excited over this, sadly. It's an enterprise-branded product, but nothing in this product stops people from writing the same old spaghetti. Then it's up to the engineers to figure out a way to get the spaghetti to behave. I'd rather see some dev platform that forces an analyst or data scientist to think about integrating with other infrastructure in a sane way. Your code, conformed and embedded into some CI/CD pipeline. easy to set up data pipelines. unit/integration/data integrity test boilerplate generators geared towards data science. (I know I'm probably describing something that's impossible... one can dream)

trollied 5y ago
DataSpell might solve your problems https://www.jetbrains.com/dataspell/ https://www.jetbrains.com/dataspell/ Curently in private beta (just sign up for it, you'll get access).
jshen 5y ago
:shakes-fists: why doesn’t everyone understand software engineering as well as the software engineers. Wait, let’s force it on them, what could go wrong?

dudus 5y ago

Yeah, seems so to me. Add it to the list. https://cloud.google.com/notebooks https://cloud.google.com/notebooks https://notebooks.azure.com/ https://notebooks.azure.com/ https://aws.amazon.com/emr/features/notebooks https://aws.amazon.com/emr/features/notebooks https://colab.research.google.com/ https://colab.research.google.com/ https://www.kaggle.com/code https://www.kaggle.com/code https://gradient.paperspace.com/ https://gradient.paperspace.com/

ahurmazda 5y ago
Might even be closer to rstudio server[1]. License software but run it on your own hardware. IMHO no one has yet come close to rstudio in terms of providing a complete-ish solution: multiple account support, full-featured ide, hosting env taken care of etc. [1] https://www.rstudio.com/products/rstudio/ https://www.rstudio.com/products/rstudio/ edit: clarify
- wodenokoto 5y ago
  rstudio server makes it really easy to have an airgapped environment, which can be important for companies.
sidmitra 5y ago
There's also https://deepnote.com/ https://deepnote.com/ which i've seen used in a few fintech startups.

Terretta 5y ago

> Is it just me or does this look like flowered up Jupyter? Must be JetBrains’ headline writers too, since the headline is “Announcing Datalore Enterprise – The Smart and Secure Jupyter Environment for Data Science Teams” making it sound rather like flowered up Jupyter.