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> is that the same hyper liberal people who are so against development Kind of a weird statement. Having grown up in a small town, there's wasn't a "hyper lib

> is that the same hyper liberal people who are so against development Kind of a weird statement. Having grown up in a small town, there's wasn't a "hyper liberal" person in sight. The elitist, anti-growth, outsiders-are-destroying-this-place attitude is pervasive everywhere. It's absolutely not a party thing. It just so happens that California has a lot of outsiders wanting to move there, and is left-leaning. That's it. You see the same exact attitudes in towns in Wyoming, Texas, and Florida too.

bedhead 5y ago
Perhaps injecting partisan into it was dumb of me, however, in my experience it was the very liberal people who were the ones who spearheaded some of our largest long-term planning blunders. But you're right, the pervasive attitude in most smaller communities is generally "Everything was great until a shortly after I moved here" which really drives me crazy. I suppose it's just more acute in a town of 3,000.
- BeFlatXIII 5y ago
  If everything truly was great until shortly after you moved there, especially if it happens at several theres, that means that you were what made the places fall from greatness.
Sr_developer 5y ago
All those staunch conservatives in San Francisco, Seattle and Portland.
- perl4ever 5y ago
  ...Arizona, Texas, Nevada It's a very longstanding cliche to complain about people from California moving into the nearby states. Lots of that when I went to school in AZ in the 90s.
- threatofrain 5y ago
  Yes, as we all know, homeowners bias towards American liberalism. What political clarity coming from Sr_developer.
  - Sr_developer 5y ago
    > Interestingly, homeownership has a split effect on political party affiliation. Those who use private mortgages “polarize,” according to the authors, with some becoming Republican and others becoming Democrats. But homeowners who get mortgages backed by the Federal Housing Administration, so-called FHA loans, are much more likely to become Democrats. > By submitting my information, I agree to the Privacy Policy and Terms of Service. In fact, the authors point out, even those who were previously Republicans “shift markedly” toward the Democratic party once they receive an FHA loan. It could be that those who receive FHA-backed loans recognize the value of government in helping them obtain a low-interest mortgage or perhaps it is because FHA loans are only available for more modest loans, and are more likely to be taken by working- or middle-class people. At the same time, Republicans who do not use FHA loans become even more Republican. > It’s not just that becoming homeowners makes people more NIMBYish, or that homeownership locks people into place, but buying a home changes people’s political behavior writ large. Once someone buys a home, they act politically to protect its value. As the authors point out: “Overall, the results suggest that individual economic circumstances importantly influence political beliefs and behavior, and suggest that homeowners have special influence in American politics in part because their ownership motivates them to pay attention and to participate.” https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-08-28/how-homeownership-contributes-to-political-divides https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-08-28/how-homeo... Oh look, another HN commenter with 0 idea of what he is talking about, but all the bravado to support his dumb position.
    - threatofrain 5y ago
      Why would you go through so much effort only to not demonstrate your point of view? Are homeowners more likely to have what political leaning?
      - 5y ago

bedhead 5y ago

Perhaps injecting partisan into it was dumb of me, however, in my experience it was the very liberal people who were the ones who spearheaded some of our largest long-term planning blunders. But you're right, the pervasive attitude in most smaller communities is generally "Everything was great until a shortly after I moved here" which really drives me crazy. I suppose it's just more acute in a town of 3,000.

BeFlatXIII 5y ago
If everything truly was great until shortly after you moved there, especially if it happens at several theres, that means that you were what made the places fall from greatness.

Sr_developer 5y ago

All those staunch conservatives in San Francisco, Seattle and Portland.

perl4ever 5y ago
...Arizona, Texas, Nevada It's a very longstanding cliche to complain about people from California moving into the nearby states. Lots of that when I went to school in AZ in the 90s.
threatofrain 5y ago
Yes, as we all know, homeowners bias towards American liberalism. What political clarity coming from Sr_developer.
- Sr_developer 5y ago
  > Interestingly, homeownership has a split effect on political party affiliation. Those who use private mortgages “polarize,” according to the authors, with some becoming Republican and others becoming Democrats. But homeowners who get mortgages backed by the Federal Housing Administration, so-called FHA loans, are much more likely to become Democrats. > By submitting my information, I agree to the Privacy Policy and Terms of Service. In fact, the authors point out, even those who were previously Republicans “shift markedly” toward the Democratic party once they receive an FHA loan. It could be that those who receive FHA-backed loans recognize the value of government in helping them obtain a low-interest mortgage or perhaps it is because FHA loans are only available for more modest loans, and are more likely to be taken by working- or middle-class people. At the same time, Republicans who do not use FHA loans become even more Republican. > It’s not just that becoming homeowners makes people more NIMBYish, or that homeownership locks people into place, but buying a home changes people’s political behavior writ large. Once someone buys a home, they act politically to protect its value. As the authors point out: “Overall, the results suggest that individual economic circumstances importantly influence political beliefs and behavior, and suggest that homeowners have special influence in American politics in part because their ownership motivates them to pay attention and to participate.” https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-08-28/how-homeownership-contributes-to-political-divides https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-08-28/how-homeo... Oh look, another HN commenter with 0 idea of what he is talking about, but all the bravado to support his dumb position.
  - threatofrain 5y ago
    Why would you go through so much effort only to not demonstrate your point of view? Are homeowners more likely to have what political leaning?
    - 5y ago