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> is that the same hyper liberal people who are so against development A bit of a nit pick here, but this issue does not fall cleanly across partisan lines. So

> is that the same hyper liberal people who are so against development A bit of a nit pick here, but this issue does not fall cleanly across partisan lines. Some of the most vocal advocates for zoning reform are on the left. And at least in my town, a fair number of folks in the anti-development camp are traditionally right leaning well off suburbanites. If I could pick one issue that most scrambles the traditional partisan alignments, this would probably be it.

reducesuffering 5y ago
That's because there's three factions now. "woke"-left, center classical liberal, and "alt"-right. Both the "woke"-left and "alt"-right are generally NIMBY anti-development, for different mistaken reasons.
- legerdemain 5y ago
  Why is the alt-right NIMBY? Homeowners are NIMBY because their home is their retirement fund, and housing scarcity boosts the value of their home. Anti-development is literally in homeowners' immediate self-interest.
  - reducesuffering 5y ago
    While some part of the issue is some homeowner's financial interest, I believe that it is mostly lifestyle/neighborhood preservation. They moved there because they like it exactly as it was when they moved there (or otherwise they would've moved to a more developed place), and over years and years things change because our world is dynamic and increasing population-wise. I characterize it as "alt"-right because the right has largely been taken over by Trumpian issues. And the right is generally anti-density and all that it comes with like, rural and suburban areas, cars, and keeping the undesirables away. Trump even had that bill that was about preventing zoning fixes that would "invade the suburbs."[0] [0]https://www.politico.com/news/2020/08/23/trumplow-income-housing-suburbs-400155 https://www.politico.com/news/2020/08/23/trumplow-income-hou...
  - slt2021 5y ago
    it is zero sum thinking. the overall pie can increase if you let development in and economy growth, so that everyone is better off. it is sad that NIMBYs dont get it
- sunshineforever 5y ago
  I belong to a woke left group that fiercely advocates for development.
  - reducesuffering 5y ago
    That's awesome, in general it hasn't been my experience with those on the most left (lefter than say Pelosi/Biden in US politics). I hope you're able to advocate for how development helps the people the left most advocates for, like the poor and working class. There are many that are shooting themselves in the foot by opposing development on the grounds of "gentrification", "colonization", or other scary strawmen.

reducesuffering 5y ago

That's because there's three factions now. "woke"-left, center classical liberal, and "alt"-right. Both the "woke"-left and "alt"-right are generally NIMBY anti-development, for different mistaken reasons.

legerdemain 5y ago
Why is the alt-right NIMBY? Homeowners are NIMBY because their home is their retirement fund, and housing scarcity boosts the value of their home. Anti-development is literally in homeowners' immediate self-interest.
- reducesuffering 5y ago
  While some part of the issue is some homeowner's financial interest, I believe that it is mostly lifestyle/neighborhood preservation. They moved there because they like it exactly as it was when they moved there (or otherwise they would've moved to a more developed place), and over years and years things change because our world is dynamic and increasing population-wise. I characterize it as "alt"-right because the right has largely been taken over by Trumpian issues. And the right is generally anti-density and all that it comes with like, rural and suburban areas, cars, and keeping the undesirables away. Trump even had that bill that was about preventing zoning fixes that would "invade the suburbs."[0] [0]https://www.politico.com/news/2020/08/23/trumplow-income-housing-suburbs-400155 https://www.politico.com/news/2020/08/23/trumplow-income-hou...
- slt2021 5y ago
  it is zero sum thinking. the overall pie can increase if you let development in and economy growth, so that everyone is better off. it is sad that NIMBYs dont get it
sunshineforever 5y ago
I belong to a woke left group that fiercely advocates for development.
- reducesuffering 5y ago
  That's awesome, in general it hasn't been my experience with those on the most left (lefter than say Pelosi/Biden in US politics). I hope you're able to advocate for how development helps the people the left most advocates for, like the poor and working class. There are many that are shooting themselves in the foot by opposing development on the grounds of "gentrification", "colonization", or other scary strawmen.