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> How is it normal for a complete stranger to look at my ID and know (or at least think they know) what genitals I have? Ignore naughty bits entirely! Everyone

by RhysU 5y ago

> How is it normal for a complete stranger to look at my ID and know (or at least think they know) what genitals I have? Ignore naughty bits entirely! Everyone fixates on the naughty bits. Sheesh. Imagine a 5'6" male. Imagine a 5'6" female. Imagine them wearing the same outfit. Do they look, stereotypically, different enough that you could tell which one is standing in front of you with high accuracy? Do you think this outward difference might be a useful identification tool to assess if a passport belongs to the passport holder? Must this indicator be sinister? Is it so sinister that the government should reject it for other, possibly more sinister indicators?

dariusj18 5y ago
> Do you think this might be a useful identification tool to assess if a passport belongs to the passport holder? You mean rather than use the picture?
- RhysU 5y ago
  You mean the one that can be years and years and years old? That likely was taken at Walgreens some Saturday morning? And which is not verified during the passport renewal? That one?
  - dariusj18 5y ago
    Yes, the one with more information, even when old, than any assumptions made based on sex.
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pseudalopex 5y ago
Height isn't required on passports. Even though it identifies people more specifically than sex. I would assume someone is trans if they matched the description and appearance on an identity document except for apparent sex. Sinister is a straw man.
- filleduchaos 5y ago
  Who says they even have to be trans? If your security agents' brains are broken by a person not looking like a narrow stereotype of their sex, they're just bad at their jobs full stop (especially considering that they also have to identify children for example)
  - pseudalopex 5y ago
    Most people look distinctly male or female. I think they meant someone who looks distinctly male and presents a passport marked female should be assumed an impostor. Not it would break anyone's brain.
    - filleduchaos 5y ago
      > Most people look distinctly male or female In my actual experience most people are neither broad-shouldered Adonises nor voluptuous femme fatales, and it only takes an unflattering angle or non-mainstream fashion choice (or even nothing but their own imaginations) for people to start questioning someone's sex.
      - pseudalopex 5y ago
        > neither broad-shouldered Adonises nor voluptuous femme fatales You have some narrow stereotypes if you think just those bodies look distinctly male or female. > it only takes an unflattering angle or non-mainstream fashion choice (or even nothing but their own imaginations) for people to start questioning someone's sex. Let's assume that's true. Are most angles unflattering? Are most fashion choices non mainstream?
filleduchaos 5y ago
> Ignore naughty bits entirely! Everyone fixates on the naughty bits. Sheesh. Sex literally is about "naughty bits". That is what it is, by definition. That is the information that we go about disclosing to all and sundry. > Imagine a 5'6" male. Imagine a 5'6" female. Imagine them wearing the same outfit. Do they look, stereotypically, different enough that you could tell which one is standing in front of you with high accuracy? If your system of identification depends on assessing people's (secondary) sex characteristics, it's pathetically bad.

by RhysU 5y ago

dariusj18 5y ago

> Do you think this might be a useful identification tool to assess if a passport belongs to the passport holder? You mean rather than use the picture?

RhysU 5y ago
You mean the one that can be years and years and years old? That likely was taken at Walgreens some Saturday morning? And which is not verified during the passport renewal? That one?
- dariusj18 5y ago
  Yes, the one with more information, even when old, than any assumptions made based on sex.
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pseudalopex 5y ago

Height isn't required on passports. Even though it identifies people more specifically than sex. I would assume someone is trans if they matched the description and appearance on an identity document except for apparent sex. Sinister is a straw man.

filleduchaos 5y ago
Who says they even have to be trans? If your security agents' brains are broken by a person not looking like a narrow stereotype of their sex, they're just bad at their jobs full stop (especially considering that they also have to identify children for example)
- pseudalopex 5y ago
  Most people look distinctly male or female. I think they meant someone who looks distinctly male and presents a passport marked female should be assumed an impostor. Not it would break anyone's brain.
  - filleduchaos 5y ago
    > Most people look distinctly male or female In my actual experience most people are neither broad-shouldered Adonises nor voluptuous femme fatales, and it only takes an unflattering angle or non-mainstream fashion choice (or even nothing but their own imaginations) for people to start questioning someone's sex.
    - pseudalopex 5y ago
      > neither broad-shouldered Adonises nor voluptuous femme fatales You have some narrow stereotypes if you think just those bodies look distinctly male or female. > it only takes an unflattering angle or non-mainstream fashion choice (or even nothing but their own imaginations) for people to start questioning someone's sex. Let's assume that's true. Are most angles unflattering? Are most fashion choices non mainstream?

filleduchaos 5y ago

> Ignore naughty bits entirely! Everyone fixates on the naughty bits. Sheesh. Sex literally is about "naughty bits". That is what it is, by definition. That is the information that we go about disclosing to all and sundry. > Imagine a 5'6" male. Imagine a 5'6" female. Imagine them wearing the same outfit. Do they look, stereotypically, different enough that you could tell which one is standing in front of you with high accuracy? If your system of identification depends on assessing people's (secondary) sex characteristics, it's pathetically bad.