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I always wonder, if there had never been a trans-Atlantic slave trade, would modern opinion in the West be that slavery is perfectly fine? After all, the West

I always wonder, if there had never been a trans-Atlantic slave trade, would modern opinion in the West be that slavery is perfectly fine? After all, the West still doesn't really care about slavery - there's more slaves today than ever in history. They also do not care about benefitting from slave labour or they would boycott the top countries in the Global Slavery Index: https://www.globalslaveryindex.org/2018/data/maps/#prevalence https://www.globalslaveryindex.org/2018/data/maps/#prevalenc... Slavery continues to be a thriving industry in Africa and the Middle East for example, and for the most part concern about this only comes from a few Western NGOs. It largely seems to be a matter that at some point became politically useful in the US and elsewhere, rather than an actual concern. I wonder if it will ever stop being in political vogue.

x86_64Ubuntu 5y ago
What does any of this have to do with the subject at hand?
- DiggyJohnson 5y ago
  Not OP, but the transatlantic slave trade is materially related to the history of Haiti, which is the topic at hand.
  - x86_64Ubuntu 5y ago
    But he's not talking about the Transatlantic Slave Trade, he's talking about the bad-faith right-wing talking point of "There are slaves all around the world today!!!" None of the groups that OP professes to care about are part of the transatlantic slave trade.
wyager 5y ago
The global elimination of slavery, to whatever incomplete extent that happened, was primarily a British and Christian moral crusade. Christian morality plus the feasibility of replacing slavery with industrialization is what made the global reduction of slavery possible. I say this as a non-Christian. I don’t think it’s reasonable to say the West “doesn’t really care” about slavery.
- steve76 5y ago
  Europeans saw African barbarity, human sacrifice, genocide, torture, war, and cannibalism, the Europeans said stop that please. I'll pay you. Send them away. Hong Kong left people alone. Limit the violence. Hong Kong was the richest place in the world until the Marxist brought their brutality and bullying, and with far less resources. Haiti's corrupt insane leadership killed and took and allowed lawlessness and violence as long as they got what they wanted. Haitians have been literally eating dirt for decades. Liberals build coastal resorts and wall off the populace as humanitarian efforts. They dare not take charge, and I really don't blame them. Cuba and Venezuela has nukes and a spies linked with drug smugglers. If we go there and make things nice Putin or Xi will look for monsters we awakened and give them billions and weapons. Leave people alone. You're not in charge. If you want to govern, govern. First and only rule, limit the violence, don't create it.
colpabar 5y ago
>It largely seems to be a matter that at some point became politically useful in the US and elsewhere, rather than an actual concern. It's diabolical. The ruling class, who benefitted the most from slavery, have figured out how to use it to keep people from uniting against them. According to them, it was white people who enslaved black people, not rich people who enslaved poor people, and we should all be upset the former and never think about the latter.

x86_64Ubuntu 5y ago

What does any of this have to do with the subject at hand?

DiggyJohnson 5y ago
Not OP, but the transatlantic slave trade is materially related to the history of Haiti, which is the topic at hand.
- x86_64Ubuntu 5y ago
  But he's not talking about the Transatlantic Slave Trade, he's talking about the bad-faith right-wing talking point of "There are slaves all around the world today!!!" None of the groups that OP professes to care about are part of the transatlantic slave trade.

wyager 5y ago

The global elimination of slavery, to whatever incomplete extent that happened, was primarily a British and Christian moral crusade. Christian morality plus the feasibility of replacing slavery with industrialization is what made the global reduction of slavery possible. I say this as a non-Christian. I don’t think it’s reasonable to say the West “doesn’t really care” about slavery.

steve76 5y ago
Europeans saw African barbarity, human sacrifice, genocide, torture, war, and cannibalism, the Europeans said stop that please. I'll pay you. Send them away. Hong Kong left people alone. Limit the violence. Hong Kong was the richest place in the world until the Marxist brought their brutality and bullying, and with far less resources. Haiti's corrupt insane leadership killed and took and allowed lawlessness and violence as long as they got what they wanted. Haitians have been literally eating dirt for decades. Liberals build coastal resorts and wall off the populace as humanitarian efforts. They dare not take charge, and I really don't blame them. Cuba and Venezuela has nukes and a spies linked with drug smugglers. If we go there and make things nice Putin or Xi will look for monsters we awakened and give them billions and weapons. Leave people alone. You're not in charge. If you want to govern, govern. First and only rule, limit the violence, don't create it.

colpabar 5y ago

>It largely seems to be a matter that at some point became politically useful in the US and elsewhere, rather than an actual concern. It's diabolical. The ruling class, who benefitted the most from slavery, have figured out how to use it to keep people from uniting against them. According to them, it was white people who enslaved black people, not rich people who enslaved poor people, and we should all be upset the former and never think about the latter.