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I agree with everything you said, except for China not being communist. The CCP's take is "Mao was 70% right" and officially identifies as communist. Its state

by janto 5y ago

I agree with everything you said, except for China not being communist. The CCP's take is "Mao was 70% right" and officially identifies as communist. Its stated end goal is a communist society. It is in service of this goal that they are taking a capitalistic / globalization route to expanding their Lebensraum. Whether CCP = China I guess is another discussion, but I don't have a strong view there.

ralusek 5y ago
Many communists assert that "state capitalism" is a step on the pathway to communism. From an outsider's perspective, we watched a failing communist state open up markets under Deng Xiaoping, and become the fastest rising capitalist power in the world. First, the thing that took the country from being a failed state to the fastest elimination of poverty the world has ever seen was specifically its rejection of communism, which is primarily an economic model. Secondly, there still remains no evidence that the country could ever go back in a communist direction and not lose all of the benefits incurred by a market economy. They can call themselves communist all they want, but all they have in common with it is the authoritarianism.
- BuckRogers 5y ago
  A market economy has nothing to do with capitalism. Market economies existed long before capitalism was in practice. Capitalism is an employment model. As far as crediting their rise due to their economic opening, I’d say that is not reproducible. Not without the agreement of the wealthiest nation in the world to begin massive investment into it. If it were that easy every nation would do it for the same result. Definitely agree on everything else, and I addressed this more completely elsewhere in this thread but it’s impossible to have a communist country. Communism is anarchy. Leninism is a vanguard state.

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I agree with everything you said, except for China not being communist. The CCP's take is "Mao was 70% right" and officially identifies as communist. Its state

by janto 5y ago

ralusek 5y ago
Many communists assert that "state capitalism" is a step on the pathway to communism. From an outsider's perspective, we watched a failing communist state open up markets under Deng Xiaoping, and become the fastest rising capitalist power in the world. First, the thing that took the country from being a failed state to the fastest elimination of poverty the world has ever seen was specifically its rejection of communism, which is primarily an economic model. Secondly, there still remains no evidence that the country could ever go back in a communist direction and not lose all of the benefits incurred by a market economy. They can call themselves communist all they want, but all they have in common with it is the authoritarianism.
- BuckRogers 5y ago
  A market economy has nothing to do with capitalism. Market economies existed long before capitalism was in practice. Capitalism is an employment model. As far as crediting their rise due to their economic opening, I’d say that is not reproducible. Not without the agreement of the wealthiest nation in the world to begin massive investment into it. If it were that easy every nation would do it for the same result. Definitely agree on everything else, and I addressed this more completely elsewhere in this thread but it’s impossible to have a communist country. Communism is anarchy. Leninism is a vanguard state.