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No, a handful of Trump supporters walked around taking selfies for a few minutes inside a building because they mistakenly believed the election was fraudulent.

No, a handful of Trump supporters walked around taking selfies for a few minutes inside a building because they mistakenly believed the election was fraudulent. They did not hold any power at any point and were not right wing nor driven by a left/right idealogical divide, they were fools mislead about vote integrity. That said, left wing extremists did actually seize and hold a section of Seattle for an extended period of time, which would be a more genuine example of a failed state- violent rebels holding territory inside a major city.

da39a3ee 5y ago
Reasonable comment except > and were not right wing nor driven by a left/right idealogical divide, What were you thinking when you wrote that?
- gifwithaj 5y ago
  Trump is not a right wing politician and his supporters aren't either. He's a populist who was a major donor to the democrats while he was a real estate developer and his political stances jump all over the map based on popularity, power, loyalty and personal vendettas. Nobody at the capitol was there because of any sort of policy, law or philosophical idealogy that in any way represents right wing political thought. They were there because Trump told them vote fraud was happening and they believe him more than the people saying the vote was legitimate.
dashundchen 5y ago
Are you serious? The far-right Capitol rioters killed at least one officer, injured at least 138 others, breached the chambers chanting "Hang Mike Pence" and had built gallows outside. Many were seriously armed. I have zero doubt if they managed to get in the chambers before they were evacuated, congresspeople would have been killed. The government would not have just carried on like normal after that. The right-wing downplaying these idiots as "tourists" or simple protestors is disgusting. It was an attempted coup of a democratic government.
- mythrwy 5y ago
  No officer was killed by capital rioters. One was misreported to have been killed by rioters (with a fire extinguisher) but that later turned out to be either a mistake or fabrication and he actually died of natural causes a day or few days after the riot.
  - dirtyoldmick 5y ago
    The autopsy said the riot had nothing to do with his death.
  - pfarrell 5y ago
    If you're referring to Officer Sicknick, he died of two strokes a day after being attacked with bear spray by Julian Khater and George Tanios and being subjected to the most stressful day of his life. Medically, he may have died of natural causes, but those strokes were the result of the riot, whether because he was sprayed with bear repellent [1] or because of the stress of the day. [1]: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/03/24/us/officer-sicknick-capitol-riot.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/03/24/us/officer-si...
    - mythrwy 5y ago
      "most stressful day of his life", "were the result of". He died of a clot in an artery. What you are saying is speculative.
- xienze 5y ago
  > The far-right Capitol rioters killed at least one officer Surprise! Months later it turns out he had died of natural causes: https://www.npr.org/2021/04/19/988876722/capitol-police-officer-brian-sicknick-died-of-natural-causes-medical-examiner-ru https://www.npr.org/2021/04/19/988876722/capitol-police-offi... > Many were seriously armed. Name the folks inside who were armed. > It was an attempted coup of a democratic government. I find it humorous how the same people who say the 2nd Amendment is useless because the US has tanks and nuclear bombs simultaneously believe that we were ->this<- close to having the government overthrown on January 6th without a single shot fired.
dang 5y ago
Please don't take HN threads further into political or ideological flamewar. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

da39a3ee 5y ago

Reasonable comment except > and were not right wing nor driven by a left/right idealogical divide, What were you thinking when you wrote that?

gifwithaj 5y ago
Trump is not a right wing politician and his supporters aren't either. He's a populist who was a major donor to the democrats while he was a real estate developer and his political stances jump all over the map based on popularity, power, loyalty and personal vendettas. Nobody at the capitol was there because of any sort of policy, law or philosophical idealogy that in any way represents right wing political thought. They were there because Trump told them vote fraud was happening and they believe him more than the people saying the vote was legitimate.

dashundchen 5y ago

Are you serious? The far-right Capitol rioters killed at least one officer, injured at least 138 others, breached the chambers chanting "Hang Mike Pence" and had built gallows outside. Many were seriously armed. I have zero doubt if they managed to get in the chambers before they were evacuated, congresspeople would have been killed. The government would not have just carried on like normal after that. The right-wing downplaying these idiots as "tourists" or simple protestors is disgusting. It was an attempted coup of a democratic government.

mythrwy 5y ago
No officer was killed by capital rioters. One was misreported to have been killed by rioters (with a fire extinguisher) but that later turned out to be either a mistake or fabrication and he actually died of natural causes a day or few days after the riot.
- dirtyoldmick 5y ago
  The autopsy said the riot had nothing to do with his death.
- pfarrell 5y ago
  If you're referring to Officer Sicknick, he died of two strokes a day after being attacked with bear spray by Julian Khater and George Tanios and being subjected to the most stressful day of his life. Medically, he may have died of natural causes, but those strokes were the result of the riot, whether because he was sprayed with bear repellent [1] or because of the stress of the day. [1]: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/03/24/us/officer-sicknick-capitol-riot.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/03/24/us/officer-si...
  - mythrwy 5y ago
    "most stressful day of his life", "were the result of". He died of a clot in an artery. What you are saying is speculative.
xienze 5y ago
> The far-right Capitol rioters killed at least one officer Surprise! Months later it turns out he had died of natural causes: https://www.npr.org/2021/04/19/988876722/capitol-police-officer-brian-sicknick-died-of-natural-causes-medical-examiner-ru https://www.npr.org/2021/04/19/988876722/capitol-police-offi... > Many were seriously armed. Name the folks inside who were armed. > It was an attempted coup of a democratic government. I find it humorous how the same people who say the 2nd Amendment is useless because the US has tanks and nuclear bombs simultaneously believe that we were ->this<- close to having the government overthrown on January 6th without a single shot fired.

dang 5y ago

Please don't take HN threads further into political or ideological flamewar. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html