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What's your point? Countries with LGBT and woman's rights aren't sustainable demographically? I think you're severely overstating the effect of LGBT people on

by meibo 5y ago

What's your point? Countries with LGBT and woman's rights aren't sustainable demographically? I think you're severely overstating the effect of LGBT people on this matter - western countries struggle with demographics, but it's not because more gay people are able to live their lives without being forced into straight relationships.

hash9 5y ago
There is substantial research showing a negative correlation between female empowerment and fertility rates. https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1057/9780230554993_4 https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1057/9780230554993_4 https://bmcwomenshealth.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12905-019-0747-9 https://bmcwomenshealth.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s...
- smackeyacky 5y ago
  Children are power when you have limited alternatives.
llampx 5y ago
I'd say it's because LGBT rights are seen by conservatives as generally coming with more freedom in society and that correlates with higher child-bearing age, fewer children being born in general, higher abortion rates, and more promiscuous society. Not my views, what I see as the reasons traditional conservatives want to keep LGBT acceptance to a minimum.
noone321 5y ago
No. I'm saying this is how elite Russian and Chinese party policy makers view their own demographic situation. Although they don't really talk about modern Russia or China, Helene Carre and Walter Scheidel probably have the most readable books about how demographic imbalances relate to empire collapses. And if you read them, it's very easy to see why China and Russia are far more reason to be concerned than the West does. Russia already fell off one in 1991, and both nations really are close to another. (Also, American elites don't really see themselves as struggling demographically.) Personally, I think they also like being able to blackmail powerful LGBT within their countries/satellites. Historically, when their targets realized that America's fairly tolerant towards foreigners, leftover women, <i>and</i> LGBT people, their targets tended to defect.

by meibo 5y ago

hash9 5y ago

There is substantial research showing a negative correlation between female empowerment and fertility rates. https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1057/9780230554993_4 https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1057/9780230554993_4 https://bmcwomenshealth.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12905-019-0747-9 https://bmcwomenshealth.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s...

smackeyacky 5y ago
Children are power when you have limited alternatives.

llampx 5y ago

I'd say it's because LGBT rights are seen by conservatives as generally coming with more freedom in society and that correlates with higher child-bearing age, fewer children being born in general, higher abortion rates, and more promiscuous society. Not my views, what I see as the reasons traditional conservatives want to keep LGBT acceptance to a minimum.

noone321 5y ago

No. I'm saying this is how elite Russian and Chinese party policy makers view their own demographic situation. Although they don't really talk about modern Russia or China, Helene Carre and Walter Scheidel probably have the most readable books about how demographic imbalances relate to empire collapses. And if you read them, it's very easy to see why China and Russia are far more reason to be concerned than the West does. Russia already fell off one in 1991, and both nations really are close to another. (Also, American elites don't really see themselves as struggling demographically.) Personally, I think they also like being able to blackmail powerful LGBT within their countries/satellites. Historically, when their targets realized that America's fairly tolerant towards foreigners, leftover women, <i>and</i> LGBT people, their targets tended to defect.