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> No one is taking your voice print SIM cards are used for transmitting voice in an insecure fashion, so you can't be sure. Some voice codecs are even designed

> No one is taking your voice print SIM cards are used for transmitting voice in an insecure fashion, so you can't be sure. Some voice codecs are even designed to do something very similiar to fingerprinting voices. > No one is taking your [...] biometric details They were already taken when you had¹ to get the ID in the first place. ¹ The federal republic directly adopted laws from nazi germany requiring ID for every citizen. This law was initially introduced to acquire data about jews and people fit for military service. > to match everything you ever say or do against you just to activate a sim card This was never about surveillance by private entities! Federal agencys can match everything you say based on the fact that the SIM card in your portable bug is linked directly to you. > but at least no one will accuse you of being an enemy of the state if you do this like trying to avoid tagging in China. You can be certain that you end up in a database if you use a foreign SIM card from a non-KYC-country for a long period of time in a residential area. Your only defence is your network provider not cooperating unless forced by law. Germany is being turned into a surveillance state bit by bit and I am fed up by people trying to defend it!

gambiting 5y ago
>>You can be certain that you end up in a database if you use a foreign SIM card from a non-KYC-country for a long period of time in a residential area. Your only defence is your network provider not cooperating unless forced by law. I've literally been doing this for the last 11 years, guess I'm screwed then :P >>They were already taken when you had¹ to get the ID in the first place. Yes, and the mobile operator doesn't get them, while in the article discussed it's the "private" operator gathering all this data. >>SIM cards are used for transmitting voice in an insecure fashion, so you can't be sure. The difference being, that here it's done openly and in a visible fashion "either you do this, or you can't play our games". >>¹ The federal republic directly adopted laws from nazi germany requiring ID for every citizen. That sounds about on a level with an argument that since Hitler was vegetarian, all vegetarians are nazis. Your country adopted a lot of laws from the Third Reich. Mine adopted a lot of laws from the communist republic it once was. Neither fact makes those countries anything like their predecessors. The law that every citizen has to have an ID is a good one IMHO(wait for Americans to chime in and say this is against their personal freedom or something).
- rotebeete 5y ago
  > The difference being, that here it's done openly and in a visible fashion "either you do this, or you can't play our games". So hidden surveillance is more ok than open violations? > That sounds about on a level with an argument that since Hitler was vegetarian, all vegetarians are nazis. I just wanted to explain why germans have to have an ID.
  - gambiting 5y ago
    >>So hidden surveillance is more ok than open violations? I knew someone would inevitably come to this conclusion. No, of course it's not better. But this article is very specifically about an open and overt gathering of biometric data.

gambiting 5y ago

>>You can be certain that you end up in a database if you use a foreign SIM card from a non-KYC-country for a long period of time in a residential area. Your only defence is your network provider not cooperating unless forced by law. I've literally been doing this for the last 11 years, guess I'm screwed then :P >>They were already taken when you had¹ to get the ID in the first place. Yes, and the mobile operator doesn't get them, while in the article discussed it's the "private" operator gathering all this data. >>SIM cards are used for transmitting voice in an insecure fashion, so you can't be sure. The difference being, that here it's done openly and in a visible fashion "either you do this, or you can't play our games". >>¹ The federal republic directly adopted laws from nazi germany requiring ID for every citizen. That sounds about on a level with an argument that since Hitler was vegetarian, all vegetarians are nazis. Your country adopted a lot of laws from the Third Reich. Mine adopted a lot of laws from the communist republic it once was. Neither fact makes those countries anything like their predecessors. The law that every citizen has to have an ID is a good one IMHO(wait for Americans to chime in and say this is against their personal freedom or something).

rotebeete 5y ago
> The difference being, that here it's done openly and in a visible fashion "either you do this, or you can't play our games". So hidden surveillance is more ok than open violations? > That sounds about on a level with an argument that since Hitler was vegetarian, all vegetarians are nazis. I just wanted to explain why germans have to have an ID.
- gambiting 5y ago
  >>So hidden surveillance is more ok than open violations? I knew someone would inevitably come to this conclusion. No, of course it's not better. But this article is very specifically about an open and overt gathering of biometric data.