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Better solution: 1. Force (by law) all cookie banners to have specific class, e.g. "eu_cookie_consent_banner" 2. I'll write user css rule that hides this clas

by dvh 5y ago

Better solution: 1. Force (by law) all cookie banners to have specific class, e.g. "eu_cookie_consent_banner" 2. I'll write user css rule that hides this class.

dmitriid 5y ago
The law already makes the absolute vast majority of these banners illegal. Do companies care?
- cuu508 5y ago
  If you live in the EU, you can report websites with cookie issues to your country's Data Protection Authority. If the website owner gets fined, and the fine is significant enough in some cases they would start to care. You can contact your DPA for guidance on the exact process – you may first need to contact the website owner and try to resolve the issue between them, before filing a formal complaint to the DPA. The list of DPAs: https://edpb.europa.eu/about-edpb/about-edpb/members_en https://edpb.europa.eu/about-edpb/about-edpb/members_en
  - dmitriid 5y ago
    I reported some egregious behavior to Swedish DPA. I think I didn't even get an automated reply acknowledging the request :(
zeepzeep 5y ago
Better solution 1. Force (by law) all tracking companies to shut down 2. Enjoy a better internet
- mojuba 5y ago
  People say this without thinking about the consequences. Unfortunately the biggest loser of non-trackable Internet would be small businesses and startups that are trying to find their audiences. The recent changes in iOS for example have led to a situation that none of the startups I'm involved in can buy cheap ads anymore. Revenues are down, investors are unhappy, companies are struggling to find new channels. As a user myself, I avoid places that seem to track me aggressively but at the same time I occasionally click on ads (Facebook is especially good at it) that are well targeted and on point. Maybe the world needs a different way of delivering well-targeted sponsored content, but nobody has invented one so far. So before saying "fuck tracking" think of the small guy, the entrepreneur who is trying to reach out to the audiences with their limited funds.
  - zeepzeep 5y ago
    If your biz doesn't work without tracking and you cant to context based advertisement to find audiences then your biz needs to fail. I don't want your sh!tty startup to succeed if it involves tracking children (and adults) to deliver ads. If you can only make money by using highly targeted ads on Facebook, then your biz model is just bad.
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  - TeMPOraL 5y ago
    > Maybe the world needs a different way of delivering well-targeted sponsored content, but nobody has invented one so far. But they did! Many times over! The current solution isn't the only way to deliver ads to the right audience - it's just the cheapest one. It outcompetes all other approaches. The solution is thus simple: just ban it. Everyone will then go back to whatever is the next cheapest option. Rinse, repeat, until the cheapest option is one that doesn't compromise privacy and isn't destructive to the communications medium. So what are the different, older ways of delivering well-targeted sponsored content? For starters, opt-in approaches. Mail catalogues, e-mail catalogues, yellow pages, catalog websites, trade shows, etc. - all kinds of services where it's the user who seeks out advertisements. People want to spend money on things, want to find solutions to their problems, want to save money by finding cheaper alternatives. You don't have to shout at them to get them on the market. > the biggest loser of non-trackable Internet would be small businesses and startups that are trying to find their audiences I'm somewhat skeptical about this, but even if, I also think that the amount of advertising deployed is keeping the market in an artificially oversaturated state. There's more companies selling commodity products, competing on advertising alone, surviving only because they manage to trick people into buying things. Without so much unsolicited advertising, some of those would have to fold, but I think this would be extremely good for everyone - less spam, less resources wasted on unnecessary production, and less resources wasted on the zero-sum game that is advertising in a highly competitive market segment.
    - mojuba 5y ago
undfg 5y ago
Better solution: do away with cookie banners. Optionally, make the DNT header legally binding.

by dvh 5y ago

Better solution: 1. Force (by law) all cookie banners to have specific class, e.g. "eu_cookie_consent_banner" 2. I'll write user css rule that hides this class.

dmitriid 5y ago

The law already makes the absolute vast majority of these banners illegal. Do companies care?

cuu508 5y ago
If you live in the EU, you can report websites with cookie issues to your country's Data Protection Authority. If the website owner gets fined, and the fine is significant enough in some cases they would start to care. You can contact your DPA for guidance on the exact process – you may first need to contact the website owner and try to resolve the issue between them, before filing a formal complaint to the DPA. The list of DPAs: https://edpb.europa.eu/about-edpb/about-edpb/members_en https://edpb.europa.eu/about-edpb/about-edpb/members_en
- dmitriid 5y ago
  I reported some egregious behavior to Swedish DPA. I think I didn't even get an automated reply acknowledging the request :(

zeepzeep 5y ago

Better solution 1. Force (by law) all tracking companies to shut down 2. Enjoy a better internet

mojuba 5y ago
People say this without thinking about the consequences. Unfortunately the biggest loser of non-trackable Internet would be small businesses and startups that are trying to find their audiences. The recent changes in iOS for example have led to a situation that none of the startups I'm involved in can buy cheap ads anymore. Revenues are down, investors are unhappy, companies are struggling to find new channels. As a user myself, I avoid places that seem to track me aggressively but at the same time I occasionally click on ads (Facebook is especially good at it) that are well targeted and on point. Maybe the world needs a different way of delivering well-targeted sponsored content, but nobody has invented one so far. So before saying "fuck tracking" think of the small guy, the entrepreneur who is trying to reach out to the audiences with their limited funds.
- zeepzeep 5y ago
  If your biz doesn't work without tracking and you cant to context based advertisement to find audiences then your biz needs to fail. I don't want your sh!tty startup to succeed if it involves tracking children (and adults) to deliver ads. If you can only make money by using highly targeted ads on Facebook, then your biz model is just bad.
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- TeMPOraL 5y ago
  > Maybe the world needs a different way of delivering well-targeted sponsored content, but nobody has invented one so far. But they did! Many times over! The current solution isn't the only way to deliver ads to the right audience - it's just the cheapest one. It outcompetes all other approaches. The solution is thus simple: just ban it. Everyone will then go back to whatever is the next cheapest option. Rinse, repeat, until the cheapest option is one that doesn't compromise privacy and isn't destructive to the communications medium. So what are the different, older ways of delivering well-targeted sponsored content? For starters, opt-in approaches. Mail catalogues, e-mail catalogues, yellow pages, catalog websites, trade shows, etc. - all kinds of services where it's the user who seeks out advertisements. People want to spend money on things, want to find solutions to their problems, want to save money by finding cheaper alternatives. You don't have to shout at them to get them on the market. > the biggest loser of non-trackable Internet would be small businesses and startups that are trying to find their audiences I'm somewhat skeptical about this, but even if, I also think that the amount of advertising deployed is keeping the market in an artificially oversaturated state. There's more companies selling commodity products, competing on advertising alone, surviving only because they manage to trick people into buying things. Without so much unsolicited advertising, some of those would have to fold, but I think this would be extremely good for everyone - less spam, less resources wasted on unnecessary production, and less resources wasted on the zero-sum game that is advertising in a highly competitive market segment.
  - mojuba 5y ago

undfg 5y ago

Better solution: do away with cookie banners. Optionally, make the DNT header legally binding.