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Not one covid vaccine is FDA approved yet. If it can keep mutating it seems a healthy life style will protect you more universally than targetted vaccines that

Not one covid vaccine is FDA approved yet. If it can keep mutating it seems a healthy life style will protect you more universally than targetted vaccines that are longer relevant. (Down votes coming for having a critical thought that doesn't support the orthodoxy)

tomtheelder 5y ago
FDA approval is a rightfully slow process but we have an absolute ocean of data to support safety and efficacy. Vaccines appear to work fairly well against the delta variant , and sensible lifestyle choices and vaccination are hardly exclusive. It feels like, especially with your addition in parentheses, that your goal here is simply to anger people.
- redis_mlc 5y ago
  The GP has a good point - corners have been cut with trials. Minimizing that fact doesn't change reality. A friend of mine is in the hospital with corona now, after getting the first vaccine dose about a month ago. Anecdotal, but still very concerning. > your goal here is simply to anger people The truth angers many people, especially the left. That's just too bad.
alevskaya 5y ago
This is a terrible, uninformed take. Had we seen any serious unwanted side-effects during the EUA authorizations the FDA would withdraw the authorization, and the vaccines have continued to have excellent track records across over a hundred million patients! No known variant incl. delta shows full antigenic escape, and we have plenty of evidence of the protective benefit of vaccination in patient outcomes. Coronaviruses are slow-evolving RNA viruses (due to their proofreading enzymatic activity, single strand, etc.), and though we are certainly seeing a period of new host adaptation, SARS-COV-2 is almost certainly not going to be like H1N1 influenza.
- linuxftw 5y ago
  How many people have the vaccines killed? This isn't rhetorical, I want the hard numbers.
  - crooked-v 5y ago
    Three people have died from thrombosis with thrombocytopenia after receiving the Johnson & Johnson vaccine. That's the entire count of reasonably directly attributable deaths.
  - alevskaya 5y ago
    Buddy, this is human medicine, you don't get the luxury of "hard numbers" as if there was an SQL table in the sky you could just query. There is the CDC's VAERS reporting system, but it doesn't define reality: When you administer a vaccine to hundreds of millions of people, you will statistically expect some numbers of deaths to occur shortly after administration just by chance. Each such case then requires careful investigation to determine if there was a particular immune-linked syndrome that could be explained by a side-effect of vaccination. In fact, most deaths argued to be due to the vaccines are frail, elderly patients (80+) in long term care facilities. The most concerning side-effect of the RNA vaccines are extremely rare cases of myocarditis and pericarditis seen in young people which are est. ~12 cases per million - we're talking ~500 total reports (not deaths) in the US. Contrast this with the 15,000 child hospitalizations and ~300 child deaths due to covid.
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tomtheelder 5y ago

FDA approval is a rightfully slow process but we have an absolute ocean of data to support safety and efficacy. Vaccines appear to work fairly well against the delta variant , and sensible lifestyle choices and vaccination are hardly exclusive. It feels like, especially with your addition in parentheses, that your goal here is simply to anger people.

redis_mlc 5y ago
The GP has a good point - corners have been cut with trials. Minimizing that fact doesn't change reality. A friend of mine is in the hospital with corona now, after getting the first vaccine dose about a month ago. Anecdotal, but still very concerning. > your goal here is simply to anger people The truth angers many people, especially the left. That's just too bad.

alevskaya 5y ago

This is a terrible, uninformed take. Had we seen any serious unwanted side-effects during the EUA authorizations the FDA would withdraw the authorization, and the vaccines have continued to have excellent track records across over a hundred million patients! No known variant incl. delta shows full antigenic escape, and we have plenty of evidence of the protective benefit of vaccination in patient outcomes. Coronaviruses are slow-evolving RNA viruses (due to their proofreading enzymatic activity, single strand, etc.), and though we are certainly seeing a period of new host adaptation, SARS-COV-2 is almost certainly not going to be like H1N1 influenza.

linuxftw 5y ago
How many people have the vaccines killed? This isn't rhetorical, I want the hard numbers.
- crooked-v 5y ago
  Three people have died from thrombosis with thrombocytopenia after receiving the Johnson & Johnson vaccine. That's the entire count of reasonably directly attributable deaths.
- alevskaya 5y ago
  Buddy, this is human medicine, you don't get the luxury of "hard numbers" as if there was an SQL table in the sky you could just query. There is the CDC's VAERS reporting system, but it doesn't define reality: When you administer a vaccine to hundreds of millions of people, you will statistically expect some numbers of deaths to occur shortly after administration just by chance. Each such case then requires careful investigation to determine if there was a particular immune-linked syndrome that could be explained by a side-effect of vaccination. In fact, most deaths argued to be due to the vaccines are frail, elderly patients (80+) in long term care facilities. The most concerning side-effect of the RNA vaccines are extremely rare cases of myocarditis and pericarditis seen in young people which are est. ~12 cases per million - we're talking ~500 total reports (not deaths) in the US. Contrast this with the 15,000 child hospitalizations and ~300 child deaths due to covid.

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