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no one ever said vaccines and surviving previous infections meant you'll never get it and or spread it again. vaccination is going to limit the rate of growth,

no one ever said vaccines and surviving previous infections meant you'll never get it and or spread it again. vaccination is going to limit the rate of growth, and the impact when infected. It may also mutate around the vaccination and previous infection protections. We're going to be living with it possibly forever.

aetherspawn 5y ago
Oh boy… time to shut down the whole world for 3 weeks. Edit: Arr! This post is a sinking ship! But really, most countries are locking down and getting rid of the virus. Just not at the same time… that’s a shame, because it just moves all around the world in waves. In Australia we eliminated COVID several times, just to catch it from India and the US… over and over. Yes, we have a few vaccines here. But not available to anyone except medical professionals. Vaccination rate is very low, perhaps the lowest in the world. Yet in between lockdowns and catching COVID from other countries, we live normally. Isolation of 2-3 weeks easily defeats COVID, even if delta strain and hundreds of cases, without vaccination. Global coordinated isolation seems like the safest and fastest way to end the pandemic. It works in Australia.
- crooked-v 5y ago
  Unfortunately, many of the world's major countries, including the USA and most countries of Europe, lack the political will for anything more than halfassed quasi-lockdowns that just drag things out.
  - abystander 5y ago
    > lack the political will In other words, countries outside the USA and many in Europe lack a culture of freedom.
TranquilMarmot 5y ago
We _are_ going to be living with it forever... most likely it will become endemic after a a while and circulate among the population like the common cold or the flu. But that is many years off. https://doi.org/10.1126/science.abe6522 https://doi.org/10.1126/science.abe6522
- sudosysgen 5y ago
  There's no reason it would have to be that way. We could eradicate any given influenza strain or individual cold virus if we really wanted to.
  - crooked-v 5y ago
    The problem with that is that various bird species act as an influenza reservoir. Unless you want to perform extinction-level mass culling of birds, you're not going to be able to wipe it out for any significant amount of time.
    - sudosysgen 5y ago
      Assuming universal vaccination, that specific strain is actually pretty much going to be wiped out. You're going to see other strains replace it, yes, but if we had in theory a 90% effective vaccine against every single strain of influenza we would be able to completely stop human transmission of influenza for a very long time.
BurningFrog 5y ago
Good news: none of us will have to live with this forever!

aetherspawn 5y ago

Oh boy… time to shut down the whole world for 3 weeks. Edit: Arr! This post is a sinking ship! But really, most countries are locking down and getting rid of the virus. Just not at the same time… that’s a shame, because it just moves all around the world in waves. In Australia we eliminated COVID several times, just to catch it from India and the US… over and over. Yes, we have a few vaccines here. But not available to anyone except medical professionals. Vaccination rate is very low, perhaps the lowest in the world. Yet in between lockdowns and catching COVID from other countries, we live normally. Isolation of 2-3 weeks easily defeats COVID, even if delta strain and hundreds of cases, without vaccination. Global coordinated isolation seems like the safest and fastest way to end the pandemic. It works in Australia.

crooked-v 5y ago
Unfortunately, many of the world's major countries, including the USA and most countries of Europe, lack the political will for anything more than halfassed quasi-lockdowns that just drag things out.
- abystander 5y ago
  > lack the political will In other words, countries outside the USA and many in Europe lack a culture of freedom.

TranquilMarmot 5y ago

We _are_ going to be living with it forever... most likely it will become endemic after a a while and circulate among the population like the common cold or the flu. But that is many years off. https://doi.org/10.1126/science.abe6522 https://doi.org/10.1126/science.abe6522

sudosysgen 5y ago
There's no reason it would have to be that way. We could eradicate any given influenza strain or individual cold virus if we really wanted to.
- crooked-v 5y ago
  The problem with that is that various bird species act as an influenza reservoir. Unless you want to perform extinction-level mass culling of birds, you're not going to be able to wipe it out for any significant amount of time.
  - sudosysgen 5y ago
    Assuming universal vaccination, that specific strain is actually pretty much going to be wiped out. You're going to see other strains replace it, yes, but if we had in theory a 90% effective vaccine against every single strain of influenza we would be able to completely stop human transmission of influenza for a very long time.

BurningFrog 5y ago

Good news: none of us will have to live with this forever!