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- note that the official investigation meeting (before he disappeared for 3 months) had state officials from 4 different state departments in one meeting, meani
by redis_mlc 5y ago
- note that the official investigation meeting (before he disappeared for 3 months) had state officials from 4 different state departments in one meeting, meaning it was highly choreographed by the CCP
- Xi announced more hands-on CCP oversight for all companies in 2020 after a few decades of Wild West-style capitalism. The point of temporary capitalism was to grow the Chinese economy to a Western standard and avoid Soviet-style economic stagnation, which ultimately made the USSR non-viable. Then control and suppress the economoy going forward.
- Xi had himself declared dictator for life, well, to be exactly that. He doesn't need industry titans distracting the population, or leaving him in the shade. There can be only one.
- aero-glide2 5y ago> Xi announced more hands-on CCP oversight for all companies in 2020 after a few decades of Wild West-style capitalism. I don't understand why this considered by some communists as "impure". The communist manifesto does talk about capitalism first and then use the generated wealth for communism.
- mr_toad 5y agoWhat does communism have to do with the Chinese Communist Party?
- smcl 5y agoEdit: Removed this. I was agreeing with parent (CCP != communist), but don’t wanna encourage more replies like the one I got
- redis_mlc 5y ago> - the Chinese Communist Party is not communist You're just playing with words. - the CCP is communist compared to the Nationaists - Mao looked up to Stalin and was an enemy of the US - the CCP is a one-party totalitarian state just like the USSR, where the societal structure was reshaped, killing millions in the process If you mean that it's not a workers' paradise, communism never is, except for the top officials. The CCP has all the worst traits of communism, therefore it is. A third (400 million) of mainland Chinese people are struggling financially today, and hospital care is cash-in-advance for non-CCP patients. So China doesn't even have the socialist health care available to most Western countries.
- the_third_wave 5y agoAssuming that failed communist states "are not communist" is is a dangerous fallacy which keeps alive the idea that "Communism works but has never been tried in real life". The CCP is a communist party in one of the end stages of the ideology just like the Soviet communist party was a communist party in one of its end stages, just like all the other failed communist states were led by communist parties in their end stages. The problem lies with the ideology, not with the implementation thereof.
- smcl 5y agoYou're putting words in my mouth to provoke an argument, don't do that. There are plenty of very enthusiastic supporters of communism elsewhere who will be happy to have that discussion with you, I specifically said I didn't want to encourage it here.
- the_third_wave 5y agoThere are plenty of very enthusiastic supporters of national socialism who will be happy to have a discussion on that subject yet we do not avoid pointing out the failure of the doctrine and teach our children about the resulting carnage. The same standard should be used when discussing communism no matter how many very enthusiastic supporters it has.
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- smcl 5y agoWhat I’m saying is - you’re clearly desperate for a fight with someone. You can definitely find one somewhere, but not here no matter how edgy or provocative you are.
- bzzzt 5y agoI'm wondering what the end state of our democratic capitalistic states will be...
- lucian1900 5y agoIt’s not even a novel concept. The USSR instituted the NEP to attract foreign investment so it could develop after being invaded during WW1. Both China and Vietnam have limited forms of capitalism in order to not be blockaded and be allowed to develop.