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There need to be harsh, harsh penalties for showing up uninvited to someone's house based on something that's happened or been said on the Internet. This is lit

There need to be harsh, harsh penalties for showing up uninvited to someone's house based on something that's happened or been said on the Internet. This is little kid shit and they either need to learn or have their toys taken away so they can't keep doing it.

shadowgovt 5y ago
Step 1 is catching them, and it's the nature of this sort of attack that doing so is deceptively hard. This kind of harassment is basically a flash-mob.
- jbluepolarbear 5y ago
  Pretty easy if they’re dumb enough to bring their phone with them.
  - SilverRed 5y ago
    I don't believe that phone based tracking is nearly as easy as people make it out to be. Just because the data exists, doesn't mean it is easy to process. Someone would have to spend tens of hours at least digging through data and unless its a serious crime, its just not worth it.
    - jbluepolarbear 5y ago
      Not tracking, identifying. I have a T-Mobile cell booster and it automatically connects to any compatible phone and will start using cell over WiFi. I could let the authorities know that and they can tell T-Mobile to fork over all the cell data for that booster.
    - swiley 5y ago
      Not only that but it can be hard to even get legal access to. I know someone who was shot and the cops weren't able to get access to the location data needed to catch the other guy.
    - franga2000 5y ago
      Once you have the data, it's almost trivial. The data, of course, needs to be acquired through a warrant, which is often really hard to get (which is good) and even then there's a chance it might not exist (logging policies differ a lot), but once you have access to it it's just a matter of running a geofence query and talking to neighbours to get a sense of the criminal's path before the incident so they can identify them in the data. Filtering out everyone who was there 5hrs before and after should be enough to narrow things down to a reasonable level for a human to go through.
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aaomidi 5y ago
Really hard to do that when the state has been behind incidents like this. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO One could argue that the FBI could be behind this too, for reasons we won't find out for another couple of decades.
ggreer 5y ago
I get where you're coming from, but my guess is that such a law would cause more harm than benefit. Think of all the potential for abuse. Politicians (and other government officials) could use it to imprison almost anyone who protested outside their homes.
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- AussieWog93 5y ago
  >Politicians (and other government officials) could use it to imprison almost anyone who protested outside their homes. Honestly, I'd support politicians' right to have a bit of privacy and space in their own home. There is a time and a place to stage a protest and after hours at someone's family home is not it.
pjc50 5y ago
Why does the internet make this magic? There's plenty of real world harrasment that goes on every single day. Usually relationship related. People get killed over it. Often after making a long series of calls to the police. Besides, on this forum you'll have plenty of people arguing that abuse is just speech and it's wrong to ban people from organizing harassment on the internet. I don't agree, but that's the wellspring of this culture.
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panny 5y ago
>There need to be harsh, harsh penalties for showing up uninvited to someone's house based on something that's happened or been said on the Internet. This is little kid shit and they either need to learn or have their toys taken away so they can't keep doing it. Interestingly, this happened on a much larger scale yesterday too, https://twitter.com/DannyEFreeman/status/1412193024734601216 https://twitter.com/DannyEFreeman/status/1412193024734601216 Same rules? Lock them up?
- immibis 5y ago
  Yes, he should be safe from that sort of thing at his house, they can protest outside his government office or something.
Ancapistani 5y ago
In my country, and where I live (a relatively rural section), there are just such penalties - there’s a non-zero chance that if you show up at someone’s house, you’ll get shot for your efforts. Obviously I’m not condoning this, but does actually seem relevant to this discussion.
- remram 5y ago
  Realistically, in your country, the assailant would have had a gun themselves rather than a knife, and OP would be dead.

shadowgovt 5y ago

Step 1 is catching them, and it's the nature of this sort of attack that doing so is deceptively hard. This kind of harassment is basically a flash-mob.

jbluepolarbear 5y ago
Pretty easy if they’re dumb enough to bring their phone with them.
- SilverRed 5y ago
  I don't believe that phone based tracking is nearly as easy as people make it out to be. Just because the data exists, doesn't mean it is easy to process. Someone would have to spend tens of hours at least digging through data and unless its a serious crime, its just not worth it.
  - jbluepolarbear 5y ago
    Not tracking, identifying. I have a T-Mobile cell booster and it automatically connects to any compatible phone and will start using cell over WiFi. I could let the authorities know that and they can tell T-Mobile to fork over all the cell data for that booster.
  - swiley 5y ago
    Not only that but it can be hard to even get legal access to. I know someone who was shot and the cops weren't able to get access to the location data needed to catch the other guy.
  - franga2000 5y ago
    Once you have the data, it's almost trivial. The data, of course, needs to be acquired through a warrant, which is often really hard to get (which is good) and even then there's a chance it might not exist (logging policies differ a lot), but once you have access to it it's just a matter of running a geofence query and talking to neighbours to get a sense of the criminal's path before the incident so they can identify them in the data. Filtering out everyone who was there 5hrs before and after should be enough to narrow things down to a reasonable level for a human to go through.
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aaomidi 5y ago

Really hard to do that when the state has been behind incidents like this. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO One could argue that the FBI could be behind this too, for reasons we won't find out for another couple of decades.

ggreer 5y ago

I get where you're coming from, but my guess is that such a law would cause more harm than benefit. Think of all the potential for abuse. Politicians (and other government officials) could use it to imprison almost anyone who protested outside their homes.

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AussieWog93 5y ago
>Politicians (and other government officials) could use it to imprison almost anyone who protested outside their homes. Honestly, I'd support politicians' right to have a bit of privacy and space in their own home. There is a time and a place to stage a protest and after hours at someone's family home is not it.

pjc50 5y ago

Why does the internet make this magic? There's plenty of real world harrasment that goes on every single day. Usually relationship related. People get killed over it. Often after making a long series of calls to the police. Besides, on this forum you'll have plenty of people arguing that abuse is just speech and it's wrong to ban people from organizing harassment on the internet. I don't agree, but that's the wellspring of this culture.

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panny 5y ago

>There need to be harsh, harsh penalties for showing up uninvited to someone's house based on something that's happened or been said on the Internet. This is little kid shit and they either need to learn or have their toys taken away so they can't keep doing it. Interestingly, this happened on a much larger scale yesterday too, https://twitter.com/DannyEFreeman/status/1412193024734601216 https://twitter.com/DannyEFreeman/status/1412193024734601216 Same rules? Lock them up?

immibis 5y ago
Yes, he should be safe from that sort of thing at his house, they can protest outside his government office or something.

Ancapistani 5y ago

In my country, and where I live (a relatively rural section), there are just such penalties - there’s a non-zero chance that if you show up at someone’s house, you’ll get shot for your efforts. Obviously I’m not condoning this, but does actually seem relevant to this discussion.

remram 5y ago
Realistically, in your country, the assailant would have had a gun themselves rather than a knife, and OP would be dead.