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I've been wondering something, though: wouldn't it be possible to implement regular EC-style components on top of an ECS system? You can't implement ECS on top

by mkishi 5y ago

I've been wondering something, though: wouldn't it be possible to implement regular EC-style components on top of an ECS system? You can't implement ECS on top of EC, but if it's possible the other way around, Godot's argument that most people won't need it would seem a bit weak — just let them use fat components on top of an ECS core, and if/when they need the performance there's still room to push it without side-stepping the whole engine.

jbluepolarbear 5y ago
You can implement ECS on top of EC. Entitas is and example of a really good ECS on top of Unity’s default EC. I’m currently writing and designing a serialization/networking library that I’m using to build an ECS framework on top of regular Unity EC. Why not use dots? Well, I hate the restriction of using only blittables for component data, I want to have access to the already existing ecosystem of Unity packages, and the biggest is that I am designing it for networking first. It’s slow going (I’m a dad and I have a full time game dev job), but I’m making good steady progress. My serialization library currently features composition, quantization, no reflection, and no garbage collection. I plan on releasing the first version under the MIT license hopefully in the next couple months. I have a prototype that I’ve been building to test my stuff. Check it out it’s only 30s. https://youtu.be/p4v3ZnS2KBM https://youtu.be/p4v3ZnS2KBM
- prox 5y ago
  Your demo reminds me of a problem that M&B 2 Bannerlord had, they created a destructable castle, but couldn’t get performance network enough to sync the destruction (bricks and stone walls) to all players.
  - jbluepolarbear 5y ago
    Networking games is hard. It’s what I do for work and it’s an iterative process. If you’re interested in the subject of physics and netcode I’d recommend: https://gafferongames.com/post/introduction_to_networked_physics/ https://gafferongames.com/post/introduction_to_networked_phy... If your want a very deep dive and very technical, I’d recommend: https://fabiensanglard.net/doom3_documentation/The-DOOM-III-Network-Architecture.pdf https://fabiensanglard.net/doom3_documentation/The-DOOM-III-... A lot of good resources at the bottom of the pdf too.
    - prox 5y ago
      Thanks so much for posting these! I did get interested about physics, I recently did Space Engineers scripting and it really is cool to play with all kinds of variables. Now learning Godot to be able to quickly learn.

by mkishi 5y ago

jbluepolarbear 5y ago

You can implement ECS on top of EC. Entitas is and example of a really good ECS on top of Unity’s default EC. I’m currently writing and designing a serialization/networking library that I’m using to build an ECS framework on top of regular Unity EC. Why not use dots? Well, I hate the restriction of using only blittables for component data, I want to have access to the already existing ecosystem of Unity packages, and the biggest is that I am designing it for networking first. It’s slow going (I’m a dad and I have a full time game dev job), but I’m making good steady progress. My serialization library currently features composition, quantization, no reflection, and no garbage collection. I plan on releasing the first version under the MIT license hopefully in the next couple months. I have a prototype that I’ve been building to test my stuff. Check it out it’s only 30s. https://youtu.be/p4v3ZnS2KBM https://youtu.be/p4v3ZnS2KBM

prox 5y ago
Your demo reminds me of a problem that M&B 2 Bannerlord had, they created a destructable castle, but couldn’t get performance network enough to sync the destruction (bricks and stone walls) to all players.
- jbluepolarbear 5y ago
  Networking games is hard. It’s what I do for work and it’s an iterative process. If you’re interested in the subject of physics and netcode I’d recommend: https://gafferongames.com/post/introduction_to_networked_physics/ https://gafferongames.com/post/introduction_to_networked_phy... If your want a very deep dive and very technical, I’d recommend: https://fabiensanglard.net/doom3_documentation/The-DOOM-III-Network-Architecture.pdf https://fabiensanglard.net/doom3_documentation/The-DOOM-III-... A lot of good resources at the bottom of the pdf too.
  - prox 5y ago
    Thanks so much for posting these! I did get interested about physics, I recently did Space Engineers scripting and it really is cool to play with all kinds of variables. Now learning Godot to be able to quickly learn.