Hey look, I'm not saying that it's not possible. I even believe you - in a lot of big companies, there are so many "bloat"-teams that don't really do all that m

Hey look, I'm not saying that it's not possible. I even believe you - in a lot of big companies, there are so many "bloat"-teams that don't really do all that much, that just drift around in the currents that flow when cash is abundant and will get shafted the moment the company has to tighten its belt (or goes belly-up altogether, if the company is incapable of identifying its inefficiencies). That being said, we should really take these anecdotes with the appropriate grain of salt. After all, we're here in a thread about countless companies being threatened by security flaws. A dev that "gets things done" (from a business point of view) might actually do that, but do they also think about all those other requirements that business themselves can neither validate nor appreciate if measured by short-term KPIs? I'm not saying that's happening, but I've seen too many "Why are you spending weeks on this, I can do this in half a day!"-kind-of-devs, that then hack something together that technically works as the requirements demanded, but completely falls flat under any aspects of maintainability and extensibility, let alone security.