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That was an excuse and a convenient cover story. GCP can't even serve the needs of large organizations, they definitely can't service the government. Couple tha

by 0xy 5y ago

That was an excuse and a convenient cover story. GCP can't even serve the needs of large organizations, they definitely can't service the government. Couple that with the leaked plans to shut the thing down because it's an abject failure (it's a money pit for Google), and why would you want to be on the platform of certain disaster? I've had demos from GCP sales reps, and the platform is shambolic. It doesn't even work during sales presentations.

ethbr0 5y ago
GCP has some good bits. They're just running into the same problem everyone had catching Windows: it's really hard to compete from a fresh start with something that's been incrementally improved over years of significant use. Especially when you're Google (our customers aren't as smart as us) competing with Amazon.
Crash0v3rid3 5y ago
> GCP can't even serve the needs of large organizations, they definitely can't service the government. Not sure where you’ve gotten this information from. GCP serves many “large organizations” including government agencies [0]. > I've had demos from GCP sales reps, and the platform is shambolic. It doesn't even work during sales presentations. This feels very hyperbolic to me. Either way, demos don’t always work out the way you intend. [0] https://cloud.google.com/solutions/government https://cloud.google.com/solutions/government
- 0xy 5y ago
  Your example of a "large organization" is the state of Arizona? Australia Post, a tiny regional mail delivery company? What's your definition of "large"? Also, it's evident they cannot service those customers. Australia Post has a large contract with AWS. Whoops. I've worked in many large organizations. I've received GCP pitches. I've participated in evaluations of GCP as a technology solution. It's substantially worse than Azure, plus according to their leaked massive losses on the product it'll be shuttered this decade. >This feels very hyperbolic to me Their dashboards are typical Angular heavyweight clunk, with confusing error messages, infinite loading spinners and things break constantly. It's been discussed here extensively. [1] Their actual decent products (BigQuery) are hamstrung by the rest of the failing platform. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25357409 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25357409
  - k12sosse 5y ago
    You know for all the shit Microsoft gets here, Azure is pretty amazing to work with. I'm gonna say it.
    - EricE 5y ago
      The best thing that happened for Windows Server and Exchange is Microsoft started to run them at scale in house. Suddenly things that had been complained about for decades magically started getting fixed :)
  - nikau 5y ago
    Yes Australia post, the tiny regional mail carrier that delivers over a million items a day.
sofixa 5y ago
It serves companies like checks notes Google, Apple, Spotify. I think it works just fine. As for anecdata, the only cloud platform I've heard nothing positive is Azure.
- reducesuffering 5y ago
  + Twitter and Snapchat
  - 0xy 5y ago
    > Twitter Except the most important part of Twitter -- timelines, of course. [1] > Snapchat Except the $1 billion contract from AWS, of course. [2] [1] https://techcrunch.com/2020/12/15/twitter-taps-aws-for-its-latest-foray-into-the-public-cloud/ https://techcrunch.com/2020/12/15/twitter-taps-aws-for-its-l... [2] https://fortune.com/2017/02/09/snap-inc-signs-big-aws-deal/ https://fortune.com/2017/02/09/snap-inc-signs-big-aws-deal/
    - dialogbox 5y ago
      That doesn't mean GCP is bad unless they totally switched to AWS. I believe this is just part of multi cloud approach.
      - 0xy 5y ago
        If AWS is running 100% of timelines it's not a "multi cloud approach". AWS is the bedrock of the entire Twitter experience. Multi cloud means cross cloud redundancy, but there's none of that here.
- gregshap 5y ago
  GCP runs on Google, Google doesn’t run on GCP.
  - jjeaff 5y ago
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2021/06/04/google-is-moving-parts-of-youtube-to-its-cloud-service.html https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2021/06/04/goo...

by 0xy 5y ago

ethbr0 5y ago

GCP has some good bits. They're just running into the same problem everyone had catching Windows: it's really hard to compete from a fresh start with something that's been incrementally improved over years of significant use. Especially when you're Google (our customers aren't as smart as us) competing with Amazon.

Crash0v3rid3 5y ago

> GCP can't even serve the needs of large organizations, they definitely can't service the government. Not sure where you’ve gotten this information from. GCP serves many “large organizations” including government agencies [0]. > I've had demos from GCP sales reps, and the platform is shambolic. It doesn't even work during sales presentations. This feels very hyperbolic to me. Either way, demos don’t always work out the way you intend. [0] https://cloud.google.com/solutions/government https://cloud.google.com/solutions/government

0xy 5y ago
Your example of a "large organization" is the state of Arizona? Australia Post, a tiny regional mail delivery company? What's your definition of "large"? Also, it's evident they cannot service those customers. Australia Post has a large contract with AWS. Whoops. I've worked in many large organizations. I've received GCP pitches. I've participated in evaluations of GCP as a technology solution. It's substantially worse than Azure, plus according to their leaked massive losses on the product it'll be shuttered this decade. >This feels very hyperbolic to me Their dashboards are typical Angular heavyweight clunk, with confusing error messages, infinite loading spinners and things break constantly. It's been discussed here extensively. [1] Their actual decent products (BigQuery) are hamstrung by the rest of the failing platform. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25357409 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25357409
- k12sosse 5y ago
  You know for all the shit Microsoft gets here, Azure is pretty amazing to work with. I'm gonna say it.
  - EricE 5y ago
    The best thing that happened for Windows Server and Exchange is Microsoft started to run them at scale in house. Suddenly things that had been complained about for decades magically started getting fixed :)
- nikau 5y ago
  Yes Australia post, the tiny regional mail carrier that delivers over a million items a day.

sofixa 5y ago

It serves companies like checks notes Google, Apple, Spotify. I think it works just fine. As for anecdata, the only cloud platform I've heard nothing positive is Azure.

reducesuffering 5y ago
+ Twitter and Snapchat
- 0xy 5y ago
  > Twitter Except the most important part of Twitter -- timelines, of course. [1] > Snapchat Except the $1 billion contract from AWS, of course. [2] [1] https://techcrunch.com/2020/12/15/twitter-taps-aws-for-its-latest-foray-into-the-public-cloud/ https://techcrunch.com/2020/12/15/twitter-taps-aws-for-its-l... [2] https://fortune.com/2017/02/09/snap-inc-signs-big-aws-deal/ https://fortune.com/2017/02/09/snap-inc-signs-big-aws-deal/
  - dialogbox 5y ago
    That doesn't mean GCP is bad unless they totally switched to AWS. I believe this is just part of multi cloud approach.
    - 0xy 5y ago
      If AWS is running 100% of timelines it's not a "multi cloud approach". AWS is the bedrock of the entire Twitter experience. Multi cloud means cross cloud redundancy, but there's none of that here.
gregshap 5y ago
GCP runs on Google, Google doesn’t run on GCP.
- jjeaff 5y ago
  https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2021/06/04/google-is-moving-parts-of-youtube-to-its-cloud-service.html https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2021/06/04/goo...