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> Hence I have zero sympathies for these 'activists' aka hired thugs. This is a weird derail, since the point of the posted article is that the evidence implic

> Hence I have zero sympathies for these 'activists' aka hired thugs. This is a weird derail, since the point of the posted article is that the evidence implicating the accused in Maoist sympathies was illegally planted.

random314 5y ago
This is a fairly standard derailment tactic in the Indian right wing ecosystem. Begin the story be expressing deep familiarity with a situation they barely understand. Pretend to be neutral in the first half. Move on to attack a phantom target in the next half. These are variously Maoists, muslims, "rich" farmers, Sikhs, greta thunberg, forced religious conversions etc. In this particular case pretend that the fabricated evidence linking social workers to Maoists is real and bury the lede in final sentence.
- TriNetra 5y ago
  The planting of evidence story sounds unconvincing. There hasn't been any reason given who would have planted and for what reason. Some of the people assuming here it as a state sponsored stuff; but there is no such thing mentioned by the defendant. They are just trying to disprove the authenticity of electronic documents found on the computer of the accused. The FIR was lodged by state police on January 8 2018 on behalf of local people complaining about the so called activist because of the violence that took place after provocative speech on 31dec. The case is then taken up by federal agency (NIA) because of the accused people's linkage found with a band militant organization. NIA states that there are sufficient oral evidence in addition to the electronic evidence which this report is trying to disprove (which itself is subject to verification in the court) Read about one of the activists accused here https://www.firstpost.com/india/portrait-of-an-old-man-as-a-martyr-what-left-liberal-media-wont-tell-you-about-stan-swamy-9781821.html https://www.firstpost.com/india/portrait-of-an-old-man-as-a-...
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  - rualca 5y ago
    > The planting of evidence story sounds unconvincing. There hasn't been any reason given who would have planted and for what reason. What? You honestly believe that trying to incriminate activists by planting fake evidence of assassination plots and associations with maoist groups is unconvincing and not a valid reason? I mean, not so long ago India persecuted an activist who helped Greta Thunberg to the extent of arresting and accusing her of sedition just because the girl helped edit an online document that Greta Thunberg promoted. https://www.reuters.com/article/india-farmers-protests-idUSKBN2AF0HK https://www.reuters.com/article/india-farmers-protests-idUSK... > They are just trying to disprove the authenticity of electronic documents found on the computer of the accused. There was no "trying". They found evidence that emails with malware were targeted at the accused activists, and they found evidence that said malware was used to plant evidence. Also, the "smoking gun" files were sloppily planted. I mean, the article states that incriminating docs were dropped on the windows folder without even having metadata showing they were ever accessed or opened in the computer.
    - TriNetra 5y ago
      > I mean, not so long ago India persecuted an activist who helped Greta Thunberg to the extent of arresting and accusing her of sedition just because the girl helped edit an online document that Greta Thunberg promoted. It wasn't just another document; it was linked with the planning and execution of violence that happened on 26 January Republic day in the capital (New Delhi) wherein the national symbols like Red Fort were invaded and damaged. Obviously police acted on the toolkit document and if not enough evidence were found, she'll be out of the trouble. btw, while working on the document her WhatsApp messages with Gretta also showed that she knew that she could get into trouble. >> Disha (9:35 pm): Ok can you not tweet the toolkit at all..can we just not say anything at all for a while? I am gonna talk to lawyers. I am sorry but our names are on it and we can literally get UAPA against us. https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/do-not-tweet-toolkit-our-names-on-it-disha-ravi-whatsapp-chat-greta-thunberg-uapa-1769725-2021-02-16 https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/do-not-tweet-toolkit-o... > There was no "trying". They found evidence that emails with malware were targeted at the accused activists, and they found evidence that said malware was used to plant evidence. Whatever they've found needs to be proven in court before it can be considered as evidence. Until then, as per the rule of law, it's just an opinion of the defendant.

random314 5y ago

This is a fairly standard derailment tactic in the Indian right wing ecosystem. Begin the story be expressing deep familiarity with a situation they barely understand. Pretend to be neutral in the first half. Move on to attack a phantom target in the next half. These are variously Maoists, muslims, "rich" farmers, Sikhs, greta thunberg, forced religious conversions etc. In this particular case pretend that the fabricated evidence linking social workers to Maoists is real and bury the lede in final sentence.

TriNetra 5y ago
The planting of evidence story sounds unconvincing. There hasn't been any reason given who would have planted and for what reason. Some of the people assuming here it as a state sponsored stuff; but there is no such thing mentioned by the defendant. They are just trying to disprove the authenticity of electronic documents found on the computer of the accused. The FIR was lodged by state police on January 8 2018 on behalf of local people complaining about the so called activist because of the violence that took place after provocative speech on 31dec. The case is then taken up by federal agency (NIA) because of the accused people's linkage found with a band militant organization. NIA states that there are sufficient oral evidence in addition to the electronic evidence which this report is trying to disprove (which itself is subject to verification in the court) Read about one of the activists accused here https://www.firstpost.com/india/portrait-of-an-old-man-as-a-martyr-what-left-liberal-media-wont-tell-you-about-stan-swamy-9781821.html https://www.firstpost.com/india/portrait-of-an-old-man-as-a-...
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- rualca 5y ago
  > The planting of evidence story sounds unconvincing. There hasn't been any reason given who would have planted and for what reason. What? You honestly believe that trying to incriminate activists by planting fake evidence of assassination plots and associations with maoist groups is unconvincing and not a valid reason? I mean, not so long ago India persecuted an activist who helped Greta Thunberg to the extent of arresting and accusing her of sedition just because the girl helped edit an online document that Greta Thunberg promoted. https://www.reuters.com/article/india-farmers-protests-idUSKBN2AF0HK https://www.reuters.com/article/india-farmers-protests-idUSK... > They are just trying to disprove the authenticity of electronic documents found on the computer of the accused. There was no "trying". They found evidence that emails with malware were targeted at the accused activists, and they found evidence that said malware was used to plant evidence. Also, the "smoking gun" files were sloppily planted. I mean, the article states that incriminating docs were dropped on the windows folder without even having metadata showing they were ever accessed or opened in the computer.
  - TriNetra 5y ago
    > I mean, not so long ago India persecuted an activist who helped Greta Thunberg to the extent of arresting and accusing her of sedition just because the girl helped edit an online document that Greta Thunberg promoted. It wasn't just another document; it was linked with the planning and execution of violence that happened on 26 January Republic day in the capital (New Delhi) wherein the national symbols like Red Fort were invaded and damaged. Obviously police acted on the toolkit document and if not enough evidence were found, she'll be out of the trouble. btw, while working on the document her WhatsApp messages with Gretta also showed that she knew that she could get into trouble. >> Disha (9:35 pm): Ok can you not tweet the toolkit at all..can we just not say anything at all for a while? I am gonna talk to lawyers. I am sorry but our names are on it and we can literally get UAPA against us. https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/do-not-tweet-toolkit-our-names-on-it-disha-ravi-whatsapp-chat-greta-thunberg-uapa-1769725-2021-02-16 https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/do-not-tweet-toolkit-o... > There was no "trying". They found evidence that emails with malware were targeted at the accused activists, and they found evidence that said malware was used to plant evidence. Whatever they've found needs to be proven in court before it can be considered as evidence. Until then, as per the rule of law, it's just an opinion of the defendant.