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because Microsoft's requirement seems to come out of nowhere for a piece of thing nobody knows or gives a shit about TPM wtf is that? apple new OS still works

because Microsoft's requirement seems to come out of nowhere for a piece of thing nobody knows or gives a shit about TPM wtf is that? apple new OS still works on very old machine, even intel one, they know how to "transition" something microsoft seems to suck at, they are stuck with their legacy bullshit after all

paulddraper 5y ago
> apple new OS still works on very old machine Very old Apple machine maybe.
kcartlidge 5y ago
> TPM wtf is that? Something of great value in the area of security. Generally a good thing to have, and so also a good idea for MS to want. > apple .. know how to "transition" I've just sold my M1 Air, and an updated ThinkPad is out for delivery. That's after nearly two decades of being a Mac user (alongside Windows and Linux). And it is because of the Apple transitions (well that, plus even the latest [fixed] keyboards are only half as good as a ThinkPad). First the then-latest OS (about a year ago; I can't remember exactly) made all my 32 bit games and applications effectively unusable, so I started collecting 64 bit ones instead. At which point we got the M1 to put x64 on life support too. That's two rounds of lost software in a couple of years. (Before anyone says it, I know about Rosetta 2. My M1 Air did indeed run x64 software - faster in fact that my Intel machine did. But I also know from Rosetta 1 days [PowerPC/Intel] that decent support for the deprecated architecture is probably to be measured in low single digit years.)
- midrus 5y ago
  Well, it's all about tradeoffs. I've also used Thinkpads, and yes, you might get a better keyboard and all the freedom in the world, but you also get a much, much worse trackpad, a not half as good screen, worse durability, worse battery, a terrible webcam, etc.... windows is not any better than MacOS by any metric, and Linux, well, good luck setting up your screens, gestures, suspends might work or not depending on distrubution. Nothing is perfect... not even thinkpads... and the tradeoffs imho are not worth it.
  - kcartlidge 5y ago
    It is indeed about trade-offs, you're right. I've been running Macs (alongside Windows/Linux) since the first Intel ones many years ago, and have owned the M1 Mac too. They are great machines, but the general (often automatically accepted) assumption that Macs are better hardware is a little annoying (and I do mean general; this is not aimed at your comment). * The ThinkPad does have a worse trackpad and battery. However the battery is replaceable, which compensates quite nicely. * It doesn't have a worse webcam at all; it's a fairly common complaint that the Mac has a very basic webcam. * Macs are durable, more so than almost all Windows laptops. Many ThinkPads do better in that regard, though - usually the chunky ones that I go for, so I accept there is a trade-off there as to get equivalent durability I sacrifice on the form factor. * The trackpad is indeed worse (it is good enough, but still a trade-off). * The screen isn't worse (assuming you choose a decent ThinkPad). It is dimmer, but conversely unlike the Mac I can use my matte ThinkPad display in direct sunlight. * Windows (for me) is far more conducive to keyboard jockeys than Mac OS, and is far more accomodating for accessibility. All of which means that personally I saw the M1 Mac as the compromise, in that I sacrificed the better keyboard, screen, expandability, webcam, durability, backwards compatibility, and accessibility, all to get a longer battery life. Not a price worth paying.

paulddraper 5y ago

> apple new OS still works on very old machine Very old Apple machine maybe.

kcartlidge 5y ago

> TPM wtf is that? Something of great value in the area of security. Generally a good thing to have, and so also a good idea for MS to want. > apple .. know how to "transition" I've just sold my M1 Air, and an updated ThinkPad is out for delivery. That's after nearly two decades of being a Mac user (alongside Windows and Linux). And it is because of the Apple transitions (well that, plus even the latest [fixed] keyboards are only half as good as a ThinkPad). First the then-latest OS (about a year ago; I can't remember exactly) made all my 32 bit games and applications effectively unusable, so I started collecting 64 bit ones instead. At which point we got the M1 to put x64 on life support too. That's two rounds of lost software in a couple of years. (Before anyone says it, I know about Rosetta 2. My M1 Air did indeed run x64 software - faster in fact that my Intel machine did. But I also know from Rosetta 1 days [PowerPC/Intel] that decent support for the deprecated architecture is probably to be measured in low single digit years.)

midrus 5y ago
Well, it's all about tradeoffs. I've also used Thinkpads, and yes, you might get a better keyboard and all the freedom in the world, but you also get a much, much worse trackpad, a not half as good screen, worse durability, worse battery, a terrible webcam, etc.... windows is not any better than MacOS by any metric, and Linux, well, good luck setting up your screens, gestures, suspends might work or not depending on distrubution. Nothing is perfect... not even thinkpads... and the tradeoffs imho are not worth it.
- kcartlidge 5y ago
  It is indeed about trade-offs, you're right. I've been running Macs (alongside Windows/Linux) since the first Intel ones many years ago, and have owned the M1 Mac too. They are great machines, but the general (often automatically accepted) assumption that Macs are better hardware is a little annoying (and I do mean general; this is not aimed at your comment). * The ThinkPad does have a worse trackpad and battery. However the battery is replaceable, which compensates quite nicely. * It doesn't have a worse webcam at all; it's a fairly common complaint that the Mac has a very basic webcam. * Macs are durable, more so than almost all Windows laptops. Many ThinkPads do better in that regard, though - usually the chunky ones that I go for, so I accept there is a trade-off there as to get equivalent durability I sacrifice on the form factor. * The trackpad is indeed worse (it is good enough, but still a trade-off). * The screen isn't worse (assuming you choose a decent ThinkPad). It is dimmer, but conversely unlike the Mac I can use my matte ThinkPad display in direct sunlight. * Windows (for me) is far more conducive to keyboard jockeys than Mac OS, and is far more accomodating for accessibility. All of which means that personally I saw the M1 Mac as the compromise, in that I sacrificed the better keyboard, screen, expandability, webcam, durability, backwards compatibility, and accessibility, all to get a longer battery life. Not a price worth paying.