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> The Pentagon said in the press release that it still needs enterprise-scale cloud capability and announced a new multi-vendor contract known as the Joint Warf

by zod50 5y ago

> The Pentagon said in the press release that it still needs enterprise-scale cloud capability and announced a new multi-vendor contract known as the Joint Warfighter Cloud Capability. The agency said it plans to solicit proposals from both Amazon and Microsoft for the contract, adding that they are the only cloud service providers that can meet its needs.

fairramone 5y ago
Wow, that has got to sting for Google Cloud and Oracle.
- snug 5y ago
  Google Cloud bowed out of the race several years ago https://www.zdnet.com/article/google-heres-why-were-pulling-out-of-pentagons-10bn-jedi-cloud-race/ https://www.zdnet.com/article/google-heres-why-were-pulling-...
- briffle 5y ago
  Google withdrew from the original bid due to objections by its employees.
  - tgsovlerkhgsel 5y ago
    Google was already considered unlikely to win before its withdrawal, so I'd be hesitant to attribute the withdrawal primarily to this. Unlike AWS and Azure, Google doesn't offer any GovCloud regions, only Fedramp which seems to apply to unclassified data only.
    - bradleyjg 5y ago
      If GCP have fedramp high that’s roughly equivalent to AWS govcloud (fedramp high ~= IL4). AWS and Azure also have IL6 regions (able to hold secret information). Finally AWS runs a top secret cloud for the intelligence community. I believe Azure announced a similar project but not when it’ll be open for business.
  - 0xy 5y ago
    That was an excuse and a convenient cover story. GCP can't even serve the needs of large organizations, they definitely can't service the government. Couple that with the leaked plans to shut the thing down because it's an abject failure (it's a money pit for Google), and why would you want to be on the platform of certain disaster? I've had demos from GCP sales reps, and the platform is shambolic. It doesn't even work during sales presentations.
    - ethbr0 5y ago
      GCP has some good bits. They're just running into the same problem everyone had catching Windows: it's really hard to compete from a fresh start with something that's been incrementally improved over years of significant use. Especially when you're Google (our customers aren't as smart as us) competing with Amazon.
    - Crash0v3rid3 5y ago
      > GCP can't even serve the needs of large organizations, they definitely can't service the government. Not sure where you’ve gotten this information from. GCP serves many “large organizations” including government agencies [0]. > I've had demos from GCP sales reps, and the platform is shambolic. It doesn't even work during sales presentations. This feels very hyperbolic to me. Either way, demos don’t always work out the way you intend. [0] https://cloud.google.com/solutions/government https://cloud.google.com/solutions/government
      - 0xy 5y ago
        Your example of a "large organization" is the state of Arizona? Australia Post, a tiny regional mail delivery company? What's your definition of "large"? Also, it's evident they cannot service those customers. Australia Post has a large contract with AWS. Whoops. I've worked in many large organizations. I've received GCP pitches. I've participated in evaluations of GCP as a technology solution. It's substantially worse than Azure, plus according to their leaked massive losses on the product it'll be shuttered this decade. >This feels very hyperbolic to me Their dashboards are typical Angular heavyweight clunk, with confusing error messages, infinite loading spinners and things break constantly. It's been discussed here extensively. [1] Their actual decent products (BigQuery) are hamstrung by the rest of the failing platform. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25357409 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25357409
  - RKearney 5y ago
    A memo went out last year about all federal networks supporting IPv6 only in the coming years. Since Google's cloud doesn't really support IPv6 at all, I don't think they were going to win the contract anyway.
- arenaninja 5y ago
  Looks like good news for VMware, I believe one of the few players focusing in multi-cloud setups
  - sofixa 5y ago
    Everyone bar AWS is focusing on multicloud. And VMware's offerings are utter shite and very poor features wise ( where it matters), so I doubt they'll be impacted. ( Their offerings were so bad they were forced to sell their vSphere as a service arm to a low cost hosting provider. Even with the popularity of that dumpster fire in DCs and most companies moving away from DCs they still couldn't capture any market share)
- paulddraper 5y ago
  And IBM Cloud.
mtgx 5y ago
Joint War-fighter? I guess the DoD is no longer shy about its intentions for US' permanent state of war... Next up: DoD's name change to DoW?
hintymad 5y ago
I can understand Google employees' passion to curb the power of military. I myself strongly support keeping government's power in check too. But the hatred towards the military, to the point of actively sabotaging military's effort to improve itself? That I don't understand. I really wish those employees travel back in time to experience the European people's life under Mongolian's reign, or the Aztec's life when Spaniards attacked, or the life of people in Manchurian when Nurgaci's tribe was rising in the early 17th century, or the life of Chinese people merely a hundred years ago when Japanese invaded. Shouldn't it mean something when millions of innocent people were slaughtered in a matter of years, or when a civilization (especially a more advanced one) got destroyed, or when a nation's human rights were stepped on? P.S., it's worth mentioning that it was the Manchurian who restored slavery in Qing Dynasty. The word Nucai in Chinese or 명사 in Korean, meaning Your Slave, was such an honorary title that for more than 300 years until early 20th century only those who were trusted by the royals could use. Yeah, don't wanna be a slave? Build a good army.
- roflulz 5y ago
  isn't the US Military the equivalent of the "Manchu" here? (The US Military wiped out the natives, took all their land, and brought and enforced slavery on this land?) Didn't the US just annex Hawaii as an official state a few years ago? Isn't all of California land that the military just kinda stole from Mexico?
  - neither_color 5y ago
    The answer to all of your questions is no, but this kind of discussion belongs on reddit anyways.
    - deleted 5y ago
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  - 14u2c 5y ago
    >Didn't the US just annex Hawaii as an official state a few years ago? I suppose if you consider 1898 a few years ago.
FridayoLeary 5y ago
And if they both say no...?
- paxys 5y ago
  They'll be forced to do what they should have done from the get go – invest into building their own infrastructure.
- HWR_14 5y ago
  Considering Amazon was suing over the previous contract, and MS won iy I don't see why either wouldn't bid. The money is huge.
- rk06 5y ago
  Then, it means that they are run by people who are not blinded by greed, and care about earth .... Ahh who am I kidding! They will both say yes. Amazon even sued the government for it

by zod50 5y ago

fairramone 5y ago

Wow, that has got to sting for Google Cloud and Oracle.

snug 5y ago
Google Cloud bowed out of the race several years ago https://www.zdnet.com/article/google-heres-why-were-pulling-out-of-pentagons-10bn-jedi-cloud-race/ https://www.zdnet.com/article/google-heres-why-were-pulling-...
briffle 5y ago
Google withdrew from the original bid due to objections by its employees.
- tgsovlerkhgsel 5y ago
  Google was already considered unlikely to win before its withdrawal, so I'd be hesitant to attribute the withdrawal primarily to this. Unlike AWS and Azure, Google doesn't offer any GovCloud regions, only Fedramp which seems to apply to unclassified data only.
  - bradleyjg 5y ago
    If GCP have fedramp high that’s roughly equivalent to AWS govcloud (fedramp high ~= IL4). AWS and Azure also have IL6 regions (able to hold secret information). Finally AWS runs a top secret cloud for the intelligence community. I believe Azure announced a similar project but not when it’ll be open for business.
- 0xy 5y ago
  That was an excuse and a convenient cover story. GCP can't even serve the needs of large organizations, they definitely can't service the government. Couple that with the leaked plans to shut the thing down because it's an abject failure (it's a money pit for Google), and why would you want to be on the platform of certain disaster? I've had demos from GCP sales reps, and the platform is shambolic. It doesn't even work during sales presentations.
  - ethbr0 5y ago
    GCP has some good bits. They're just running into the same problem everyone had catching Windows: it's really hard to compete from a fresh start with something that's been incrementally improved over years of significant use. Especially when you're Google (our customers aren't as smart as us) competing with Amazon.
  - Crash0v3rid3 5y ago
    > GCP can't even serve the needs of large organizations, they definitely can't service the government. Not sure where you’ve gotten this information from. GCP serves many “large organizations” including government agencies [0]. > I've had demos from GCP sales reps, and the platform is shambolic. It doesn't even work during sales presentations. This feels very hyperbolic to me. Either way, demos don’t always work out the way you intend. [0] https://cloud.google.com/solutions/government https://cloud.google.com/solutions/government
    - 0xy 5y ago
      Your example of a "large organization" is the state of Arizona? Australia Post, a tiny regional mail delivery company? What's your definition of "large"? Also, it's evident they cannot service those customers. Australia Post has a large contract with AWS. Whoops. I've worked in many large organizations. I've received GCP pitches. I've participated in evaluations of GCP as a technology solution. It's substantially worse than Azure, plus according to their leaked massive losses on the product it'll be shuttered this decade. >This feels very hyperbolic to me Their dashboards are typical Angular heavyweight clunk, with confusing error messages, infinite loading spinners and things break constantly. It's been discussed here extensively. [1] Their actual decent products (BigQuery) are hamstrung by the rest of the failing platform. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25357409 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25357409
- RKearney 5y ago
  A memo went out last year about all federal networks supporting IPv6 only in the coming years. Since Google's cloud doesn't really support IPv6 at all, I don't think they were going to win the contract anyway.
arenaninja 5y ago
Looks like good news for VMware, I believe one of the few players focusing in multi-cloud setups
- sofixa 5y ago
  Everyone bar AWS is focusing on multicloud. And VMware's offerings are utter shite and very poor features wise ( where it matters), so I doubt they'll be impacted. ( Their offerings were so bad they were forced to sell their vSphere as a service arm to a low cost hosting provider. Even with the popularity of that dumpster fire in DCs and most companies moving away from DCs they still couldn't capture any market share)
paulddraper 5y ago
And IBM Cloud.

mtgx 5y ago

Joint War-fighter? I guess the DoD is no longer shy about its intentions for US' permanent state of war... Next up: DoD's name change to DoW?

hintymad 5y ago

I can understand Google employees' passion to curb the power of military. I myself strongly support keeping government's power in check too. But the hatred towards the military, to the point of actively sabotaging military's effort to improve itself? That I don't understand. I really wish those employees travel back in time to experience the European people's life under Mongolian's reign, or the Aztec's life when Spaniards attacked, or the life of people in Manchurian when Nurgaci's tribe was rising in the early 17th century, or the life of Chinese people merely a hundred years ago when Japanese invaded. Shouldn't it mean something when millions of innocent people were slaughtered in a matter of years, or when a civilization (especially a more advanced one) got destroyed, or when a nation's human rights were stepped on? P.S., it's worth mentioning that it was the Manchurian who restored slavery in Qing Dynasty. The word Nucai in Chinese or 명사 in Korean, meaning Your Slave, was such an honorary title that for more than 300 years until early 20th century only those who were trusted by the royals could use. Yeah, don't wanna be a slave? Build a good army.

roflulz 5y ago
isn't the US Military the equivalent of the "Manchu" here? (The US Military wiped out the natives, took all their land, and brought and enforced slavery on this land?) Didn't the US just annex Hawaii as an official state a few years ago? Isn't all of California land that the military just kinda stole from Mexico?
- neither_color 5y ago
  The answer to all of your questions is no, but this kind of discussion belongs on reddit anyways.
  - deleted 5y ago
    [deleted]
- 14u2c 5y ago
  >Didn't the US just annex Hawaii as an official state a few years ago? I suppose if you consider 1898 a few years ago.

FridayoLeary 5y ago

And if they both say no...?

paxys 5y ago
They'll be forced to do what they should have done from the get go – invest into building their own infrastructure.
HWR_14 5y ago
Considering Amazon was suing over the previous contract, and MS won iy I don't see why either wouldn't bid. The money is huge.
rk06 5y ago
Then, it means that they are run by people who are not blinded by greed, and care about earth .... Ahh who am I kidding! They will both say yes. Amazon even sued the government for it