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Did we read the same text? I for one as a very male programmer can at least say that the idea that > while male programmers have had nothing but encouragement

Did we read the same text? I for one as a very male programmer can at least say that the idea that > while male programmers have had nothing but encouragement. is patently false.

marcus_holmes 5y ago
Can you give an example of a man who was discouraged from learning to code and joining the IT industry? I have yet to find an example of this.
- blueflow 5y ago
  Me - my mom was the kind of semi-christian person who considered Computers some sort of evil. I had to do everything against her will and partially in secrecy, and in the end she only accepted it because i ended up bringing money home. Your "women are weak and need help" attitude sucks.
  - marcus_holmes 5y ago
    Thanks for the example. The first I've ever met. It's an interesting situation, and I sympathise with your struggle going through that. However it doesn't really affect the subject because you weren't being discouraged because of your gender, which is the thing I was talking about. Many women go through what you went through, but because "coding isn't for women" rather than "computers are evil". > Your "women are weak and need help" attitude sucks. Well, the women I helped didn't think my attitude sucks. I even got an honourable mention on a TedX talk on the subject [0] (by a woman). So I think I'll continue listening to them and not you. Maybe you should re-examine your attitudes on the subject? [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6UODmQXzIs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6UODmQXzIs
    - blueflow 5y ago
      > The first I've ever met Welcome to the working class! Where things are routinely shit, if "external discouragement" stops you from things, you will never get far in life. It not about sex or gender, its resilience what matters. And resilience is what people from privileged backgrounds rarely have, because they had it good enough to never have to learn it. Next time i see a damsel in distress i'll come back to you. Yes, im just making fun of you.
      - marcus_holmes 5y ago
        Resilience is the answer, for sure. But it'd be nice if we could have a society where it wasn't required so much by so many. Good luck with your ongoing struggle.

Did we read the same text? I for one as a very male programmer can at least say that the idea that > while male programmers have had nothing but encouragement. is patently false.

marcus_holmes 5y ago

Can you give an example of a man who was discouraged from learning to code and joining the IT industry? I have yet to find an example of this.

blueflow 5y ago
Me - my mom was the kind of semi-christian person who considered Computers some sort of evil. I had to do everything against her will and partially in secrecy, and in the end she only accepted it because i ended up bringing money home. Your "women are weak and need help" attitude sucks.
- marcus_holmes 5y ago
  Thanks for the example. The first I've ever met. It's an interesting situation, and I sympathise with your struggle going through that. However it doesn't really affect the subject because you weren't being discouraged because of your gender, which is the thing I was talking about. Many women go through what you went through, but because "coding isn't for women" rather than "computers are evil". > Your "women are weak and need help" attitude sucks. Well, the women I helped didn't think my attitude sucks. I even got an honourable mention on a TedX talk on the subject [0] (by a woman). So I think I'll continue listening to them and not you. Maybe you should re-examine your attitudes on the subject? [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6UODmQXzIs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6UODmQXzIs
  - blueflow 5y ago
    > The first I've ever met Welcome to the working class! Where things are routinely shit, if "external discouragement" stops you from things, you will never get far in life. It not about sex or gender, its resilience what matters. And resilience is what people from privileged backgrounds rarely have, because they had it good enough to never have to learn it. Next time i see a damsel in distress i'll come back to you. Yes, im just making fun of you.
    - marcus_holmes 5y ago
      Resilience is the answer, for sure. But it'd be nice if we could have a society where it wasn't required so much by so many. Good luck with your ongoing struggle.