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It's not as easy. Number of cases in that second period are ~10x the number of cases in that first period. Which means you have more propagation, potentially af

It's not as easy. Number of cases in that second period are ~10x the number of cases in that first period. Which means you have more propagation, potentially affecting more at-risk chunk of the population. E.g. the very few cases happening in May-June may have beeen predominantly occuring in young people with extensive social contacts, now that the transmission is going up it can spread to more isolated communities (e.g. old people with less social contacts, that are more at risk of isolation). There is not a single number that you can look in isolation that will give you an answer.

loceng 5y ago
Not including that people who are vaccinated's guard is down more, will likely be gathering more with wider social networks, etc; what are the chances an escape mutant variant occurs that spreads wide, has long delay before causing deadly effects, etc? And when does Ivermectin come into mainstream and every COVID discussion? Based on the evidence it looks like used as a preventative, give it to literally everyone for 2 weeks, and we could close to abolish COVID and variants. The suppression of conversation and scientific debate is the biggest problem out of all of this. Edit to add: whomever downvoted this, you're part of the problem of suppression - good for you.
- lornemalvo 5y ago
  It does not look like Ivermectin would provide a substantial benefit: https://bmcinfectdis.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12879-021-06348-5 https://bmcinfectdis.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s128...
  - loceng 5y ago
    I'll do 99 better for you: https://c19ivermectin.com/ https://c19ivermectin.com/ - "Database of all ivermectin COVID-19 studies. 100 studies, 63 peer reviewed, 61 with results comparing treatment and control groups." COVID, Ivermectin, and the Crime of the Century DarkHorse Podcast with Pierre Kory & Bret Weinstein https://vimeo.com/557811163 https://vimeo.com/557811163 (2.5 hours; deleted by YouTube) Joe Rogan then recently had Bret Weinstein and Pierre Kory on his podcast to raise awareness of issue https://open.spotify.com/episode/7uVXKgE6eLJKMXkETwcw0D?si=7h1KV1toS6Ws3t-XdBZrow https://open.spotify.com/episode/7uVXKgE6eLJKMXkETwcw0D?si=7... (3 hours - heavily repeat of what was said in link before; Spotify desktop or mobile app lets you watch video) How to save the world, in three easy [includes inventor of mRNA, if you care about credentials] https://vimeo.com/562724784 https://vimeo.com/562724784 (3.5 hours) Bret Weinstein (evolutionary biologist) and Geert Vanden Bossche (virologist) explaining in lay how mRNA vaccine skips a step in innate immune response and may cause problem with escape variants: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNyAovuUxro https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNyAovuUxro (~2 hours) Lots of ongoing updates from them: Dr. Pierre Kory - https://twitter.com/pierreKory/ https://twitter.com/pierreKory/ Dr. Robert Malone - https://twitter.com/RWMaloneMD https://twitter.com/RWMaloneMD Dr. Bret Weinstein - https://twitter.com/BretWeinstein https://twitter.com/BretWeinstein Two other main resources/organizations of doctors posting regular updates of latest data/charts, etc: https://covid19criticalcare.com/ https://covid19criticalcare.com/ / http://flccc.net/ http://flccc.net/ (same site) https://bird-group.org/ https://bird-group.org/
    - smnrchrds 5y ago
      I have a hard time taking things like this seriously: https://twitter.com/PierreKory/status/1411158326726082565 https://twitter.com/PierreKory/status/1411158326726082565 Are all your links like this? Denying what we clearly can see (that vaccines work) to promote what they think will work (ivermectin)? EDIT: It gets worse the lower you scroll. In addition to dismissing vaccines and promoting ivermectin, he signal boosts "natural medicine" too. https://twitter.com/PierreKory/status/1410028792236679175 https://twitter.com/PierreKory/status/1410028792236679175
      - pumpkinandspice 5y ago
        I don’t think they’re denying that vaccines do not work at all. Have you watched their interviews or listen to their podcasts? They’re quite long but they are challenging the fact that vaccines aren’t the only way out and we need to consider alternatives and one of that alternatives is ivermectin. If you want to reach herd immunity, you want people to get immunity through different means (like getting vaccines and getting covid but with lesser symptoms. Im not saying go out and get covid but people are already getting covid and we need to lower their chance of hospitalization).
        smnrchrds 5y ago
        > I don’t think they’re denying that vaccines do not work at all That's contrary to the message he signal boosts in the first tweet I linked to.
        pumpkinandspice 5y ago
        Is it contrary or is he’s saying that ivermectin can be a good alternative to the vaccine? It still doesn’t mean vaccines don’t work, but why not authorize it (especially in places were the cases are high and hospitals are overwhelmed with a vaccine shortage, why not try?). You can skin the cat multiple ways. You’re going to have people who don’t want to take the vaccine or vaccines effectiveness is starting to drop (https://www.google.ca/amp/s/globalnews.ca/news/8003930/israel-pfizer-vaccine-effectiveness/amp/ https://www.google.ca/amp/s/globalnews.ca/news/8003930/israe...) and we need to come up with another plan.
  - 0-_-0 5y ago
    From 61 studies on Ivermectin you cherrypicked one of the 5 with a negative effect: https://ivmmeta.com/#fig_fpall https://ivmmeta.com/#fig_fpall

loceng 5y ago

Not including that people who are vaccinated's guard is down more, will likely be gathering more with wider social networks, etc; what are the chances an escape mutant variant occurs that spreads wide, has long delay before causing deadly effects, etc? And when does Ivermectin come into mainstream and every COVID discussion? Based on the evidence it looks like used as a preventative, give it to literally everyone for 2 weeks, and we could close to abolish COVID and variants. The suppression of conversation and scientific debate is the biggest problem out of all of this. Edit to add: whomever downvoted this, you're part of the problem of suppression - good for you.

lornemalvo 5y ago
It does not look like Ivermectin would provide a substantial benefit: https://bmcinfectdis.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12879-021-06348-5 https://bmcinfectdis.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s128...
- loceng 5y ago
  I'll do 99 better for you: https://c19ivermectin.com/ https://c19ivermectin.com/ - "Database of all ivermectin COVID-19 studies. 100 studies, 63 peer reviewed, 61 with results comparing treatment and control groups." COVID, Ivermectin, and the Crime of the Century DarkHorse Podcast with Pierre Kory & Bret Weinstein https://vimeo.com/557811163 https://vimeo.com/557811163 (2.5 hours; deleted by YouTube) Joe Rogan then recently had Bret Weinstein and Pierre Kory on his podcast to raise awareness of issue https://open.spotify.com/episode/7uVXKgE6eLJKMXkETwcw0D?si=7h1KV1toS6Ws3t-XdBZrow https://open.spotify.com/episode/7uVXKgE6eLJKMXkETwcw0D?si=7... (3 hours - heavily repeat of what was said in link before; Spotify desktop or mobile app lets you watch video) How to save the world, in three easy [includes inventor of mRNA, if you care about credentials] https://vimeo.com/562724784 https://vimeo.com/562724784 (3.5 hours) Bret Weinstein (evolutionary biologist) and Geert Vanden Bossche (virologist) explaining in lay how mRNA vaccine skips a step in innate immune response and may cause problem with escape variants: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNyAovuUxro https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNyAovuUxro (~2 hours) Lots of ongoing updates from them: Dr. Pierre Kory - https://twitter.com/pierreKory/ https://twitter.com/pierreKory/ Dr. Robert Malone - https://twitter.com/RWMaloneMD https://twitter.com/RWMaloneMD Dr. Bret Weinstein - https://twitter.com/BretWeinstein https://twitter.com/BretWeinstein Two other main resources/organizations of doctors posting regular updates of latest data/charts, etc: https://covid19criticalcare.com/ https://covid19criticalcare.com/ / http://flccc.net/ http://flccc.net/ (same site) https://bird-group.org/ https://bird-group.org/
  - smnrchrds 5y ago
    I have a hard time taking things like this seriously: https://twitter.com/PierreKory/status/1411158326726082565 https://twitter.com/PierreKory/status/1411158326726082565 Are all your links like this? Denying what we clearly can see (that vaccines work) to promote what they think will work (ivermectin)? EDIT: It gets worse the lower you scroll. In addition to dismissing vaccines and promoting ivermectin, he signal boosts "natural medicine" too. https://twitter.com/PierreKory/status/1410028792236679175 https://twitter.com/PierreKory/status/1410028792236679175
    - pumpkinandspice 5y ago
      I don’t think they’re denying that vaccines do not work at all. Have you watched their interviews or listen to their podcasts? They’re quite long but they are challenging the fact that vaccines aren’t the only way out and we need to consider alternatives and one of that alternatives is ivermectin. If you want to reach herd immunity, you want people to get immunity through different means (like getting vaccines and getting covid but with lesser symptoms. Im not saying go out and get covid but people are already getting covid and we need to lower their chance of hospitalization).
      - smnrchrds 5y ago
        > I don’t think they’re denying that vaccines do not work at all That's contrary to the message he signal boosts in the first tweet I linked to.
        pumpkinandspice 5y ago
        Is it contrary or is he’s saying that ivermectin can be a good alternative to the vaccine? It still doesn’t mean vaccines don’t work, but why not authorize it (especially in places were the cases are high and hospitals are overwhelmed with a vaccine shortage, why not try?). You can skin the cat multiple ways. You’re going to have people who don’t want to take the vaccine or vaccines effectiveness is starting to drop (https://www.google.ca/amp/s/globalnews.ca/news/8003930/israel-pfizer-vaccine-effectiveness/amp/ https://www.google.ca/amp/s/globalnews.ca/news/8003930/israe...) and we need to come up with another plan.
- 0-_-0 5y ago
  From 61 studies on Ivermectin you cherrypicked one of the 5 with a negative effect: https://ivmmeta.com/#fig_fpall https://ivmmeta.com/#fig_fpall