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> the COVID vaccines only have 7 months, since the first vaccine was given Your comment is full of factual inaccuracies, and this one is easy to refute. The fi

by yosito 5y ago

> the COVID vaccines only have 7 months, since the first vaccine was given Your comment is full of factual inaccuracies, and this one is easy to refute. The first COVID vaccines were given in trials in February 2020, shortly after the SARS-CoV-2 genome was sequenced, and they've already got 17 months of data. Also worth repeating what another commenter said, vaccine side effects always show up in the first two months. You may not trust governments and their narratives. I don't either, and I can still see that the evidence clearly points to these vaccines being safe and effective. There doesn't seem to be much evidence in support of continued living in fear.

sjwalter 5y ago
> vaccine side effects always show up in the first two months Uh, what are you talking about? There are huge numbers of vaccine side effects that show up only many years later. Many, many autoimmune issues are caused by vaccines. Here's an entire textbook created by the not-crazy Wiley publishing firm, taught in medical schools around the country, about exactly this: https://www.wiley.com/en-us/Vaccines+and+Autoimmunity-p-9781118663431 https://www.wiley.com/en-us/Vaccines+and+Autoimmunity-p-9781... Stop spreading misinformation during a deadly pandemic, it's dangerous, and you're killing informed consent by lying to people about possible side effects. To boot, even if what you said were true (which it's 100% false), then you'd be talking about an entirely different technology, that being, the various old categories of vaccines. These are entirely new vaccines with at least 3 brand spanking new medical technologies in them (if you count the LNP, which I think you have to).
eggy 5y ago
Did you read my statement? "only have 7 months, since the first vaccine was given" was meant to address the first vaccine after approval to the public. The first vaccine was December 14, 2020 in the US. >Your comment is full of factual inaccuracies, Which others do you dispute? >Also worth repeating what another commenter said, vaccine side effects always show up in the first two months. This is a 'novel' vaccine and we do not have enough data on mRNA vaccines administered to the general public to make a blanket statement on its long-term safety. It's your decision to get the vaccine. My argument is I have had COVID, there's evidence natural immunity is equal if not better (it 'knows' the whole surface of the SARS2 virus, not just the 'spike' protein), I am relatively healthy, and although older, not in the top brackets of high mortality for the disease. My children are in the least-affected age brackets, and they have had COVID. Yet, social and regulatory pressures are gaining momentum while ignoring natural immunity. I agree that they appear to be safe in the short term aside from the number of issues that have been reported, but I cannot say, and I don't see how the 'experts' and government can say unequivocally that they are safe in the long term, and then push them on still-developing preteens. Why? >There doesn't seem to be much evidence in support of continued living in fear. I am not living in fear. I feel healthy and not worried about COVID at all for me. I am worried I will have to be vaccinated to keep my job, go to a concert, and shop without restrictions among other liberties. Read my comments following this thread. All of my sources are official government or even the vaccine companies' website. My argument is for not ignoring natural immunity for those who have had COVID already, and being a bit skeptical about data starting to emerge of side effects for a novel vaccine and technology with huge profits to big pharma and a 'get out of jail free' card in the form of the PREP act which gives them immunity from a majority of possible ill effects of the vaccine.

by yosito 5y ago

sjwalter 5y ago

> vaccine side effects always show up in the first two months Uh, what are you talking about? There are huge numbers of vaccine side effects that show up only many years later. Many, many autoimmune issues are caused by vaccines. Here's an entire textbook created by the not-crazy Wiley publishing firm, taught in medical schools around the country, about exactly this: https://www.wiley.com/en-us/Vaccines+and+Autoimmunity-p-9781118663431 https://www.wiley.com/en-us/Vaccines+and+Autoimmunity-p-9781... Stop spreading misinformation during a deadly pandemic, it's dangerous, and you're killing informed consent by lying to people about possible side effects. To boot, even if what you said were true (which it's 100% false), then you'd be talking about an entirely different technology, that being, the various old categories of vaccines. These are entirely new vaccines with at least 3 brand spanking new medical technologies in them (if you count the LNP, which I think you have to).

eggy 5y ago

Did you read my statement? "only have 7 months, since the first vaccine was given" was meant to address the first vaccine after approval to the public. The first vaccine was December 14, 2020 in the US. >Your comment is full of factual inaccuracies, Which others do you dispute? >Also worth repeating what another commenter said, vaccine side effects always show up in the first two months. This is a 'novel' vaccine and we do not have enough data on mRNA vaccines administered to the general public to make a blanket statement on its long-term safety. It's your decision to get the vaccine. My argument is I have had COVID, there's evidence natural immunity is equal if not better (it 'knows' the whole surface of the SARS2 virus, not just the 'spike' protein), I am relatively healthy, and although older, not in the top brackets of high mortality for the disease. My children are in the least-affected age brackets, and they have had COVID. Yet, social and regulatory pressures are gaining momentum while ignoring natural immunity. I agree that they appear to be safe in the short term aside from the number of issues that have been reported, but I cannot say, and I don't see how the 'experts' and government can say unequivocally that they are safe in the long term, and then push them on still-developing preteens. Why? >There doesn't seem to be much evidence in support of continued living in fear. I am not living in fear. I feel healthy and not worried about COVID at all for me. I am worried I will have to be vaccinated to keep my job, go to a concert, and shop without restrictions among other liberties. Read my comments following this thread. All of my sources are official government or even the vaccine companies' website. My argument is for not ignoring natural immunity for those who have had COVID already, and being a bit skeptical about data starting to emerge of side effects for a novel vaccine and technology with huge profits to big pharma and a 'get out of jail free' card in the form of the PREP act which gives them immunity from a majority of possible ill effects of the vaccine.