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What about it is so very weird? They cautiously raise some legitimate questions.

• gpm 5y ago
  It has an undertone implying some sort of strange conspiracy amongst rust people. Generally to be suspicious of something means there is something nefarious going on. It has an implication that Linux is something that any enthusiastic group of outsiders could force their changes into. And that there are rust people would create such a group of outsiders. It has an implication that rust people and linux people are disjoint sets. It's generally taking this strange adversarial view to a collaborative endeavour. People aren't "rustaceans" or not, it's not a sports team. People are people, they generally program in a wide variety of languages, and use whatever they think is best given a certain context. I'm not sure if I've fully captured what seems "off" to me about the comment, but hopefully you get the gist. As for asking questions, that's a clear example of https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Just_asking_questions https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Just_asking_questions - but at the same time the general sentiment seems to be frequently reflected in internet comments. I don't think it's a malicious case of this, just how they chose to express their opinions.
  • dgb23 5y ago
    Poor choice of words on my part I guess. To clarify, I didn't mean suspicious in the sense of expecting malicious behavior, rather than in the sense of not being overly optimistic about this type of progress, because I think it is very hard to incorporate new tooling/languages despite their merits. In other words: it would be nice to see this being fruitful, because it would possibly a strong, positive signal for programming and programming languages in general, but I'm cautious or "suspicious" still.
    • gpm 5y ago
      Please don't take my above comment too harshly by the way, I know it could be read as a list of pretty hard criticism, it's really just trying to dive into why the tone seemed off when there isn't one smoking gun. It's a list of the comment could be read like this, not that the comment actually means this.
      • generalizations 5y ago
        Just fyi, your comment does come off as fairly harsh.
        • gpm 5y ago
          Thanks, I know, I wish i had at least included the language softening it in the original comment.
      • dgb23 5y ago
        All good! English is not my first language, plus if we all had these conversations face to face, we wouldn’t have to guess the tone.
  • cerved 5y ago
    Honestly I think you're reading to much into this. You contributed some good points but dismissing the comment as very weird is a bit much
    • cerved 5y ago
      oh wow, downvote galore ITT. Okay, I'm checking out. This is too toxic
  • aflag 5y ago
    It seems like legitimate questions from an outsider to me. As an outsider from both kernel and rust development myself, I also had the same questions going through my head. Specially given Linus' previous opinions in using other languages for kernel development. That, allied with how eagerly rust is hyped, does make one wonder how much is self-promotion and how much is actually the linux kernel community as a whole embracing the endevour (not just the subset of kernel developers who also happen to really like rust). I feel like they are honest questions. Someone more in touch with the kernel community should be able to answer them.
    • jolux 5y ago
      Linus’ objection to C++, if you boil it down, is that it adds a lot of complexity without fixing what’s fundamentally broken about C: memory safety. Rust’s memory model is much safer than C’s, and it is a significantly simpler language than C++ as well.
      • morty_s 5y ago
        When I think about Linus’ lack of objection to Rust I immediately think about his vocal disdain for C++ When I learned rust I thought it felt more C-like than C++ to be honest. Nowadays I’m pretty happy to be in this c to rust to c loop. I think you’re exactly right about c++ not offering much benefit to someone like Linus. It’s much simpler than c++. Rust has also informed the way I write C (granted, I’ve also gained more experience along the way, but rust forced me to have more discipline for sure).
    • xmzx 5y ago
      You can't just make up stuff and go with it, you need to be a little more complete with your analysis. Especially worded the way the other comment was and your comment is, you seem to think there is some sort of confusion because you're lumping in one programming language with another and essentially saying, I don't see the difference therefore something sinister may be at play. Your ignorance is not an excuse. Either know what you're talking about or ask questions without your very, very leading premises.
  • dllthomas 5y ago
    > some sort of strange conspiracy amongst rust people I mean, "it seems like our technology should fit this domain, let's see if we can help them use it" isn't so strange as conspiracies go.
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• calcifer 5y ago
  There is not a single question in GP's comment, let alone a legitimate one.