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well india is a democracy and that is why you are able read about it here.

by ChemSpider 5y ago

Sr_developer 5y ago
That's why you never learn about shenanigans in N Korea, Russia and China.Yep!
- zepto 5y ago
  For the most part we don’t.
  - FpUser 5y ago
    Not sure about NL/China but being able to read Russian freely I'd say they make more than enough stink in the media when someone gets problems for political activity. Whether the person gets a relief is of course a different question.
  - Sr_developer 5y ago
    Your logic is impeccable. There is a lot going on that you dont know, but you know it is happening. I suppose you are doing a lot of shady stuff in your basement but we dont know it.
    - zepto 5y ago
      I know you’re casting shade, but we know for sure that China suppresses many kinds of politically sensitive news. They don’t hide that fact.
FpUser 5y ago
India openly admits putting activists in prison on bogus charges. What a relief, a shining example of democracy in action. Although when planting false evidence in the computer I have a bad feeling that unless the victim is some kind of VIP they might have big problems even in the traditional democratic countries.
- blocked_again 5y ago
  > India openly admits putting activists in prison on bogus charges. What a relief, a shining example of democracy in action. Name five democratic countries which has not done this?
  - 2Gkashmiri 5y ago
    so according to you, your neighbors committing murder gives YOU the right to do the same because what ?? why are you bringing other countries into it? the question is on india here. india does this and there should be consequences regardless of what anyone else does or does not do
    - blocked_again 5y ago
      Never said that. The comment I replied back make it sounds like India is the only democracy which does this and is not a real democracy like the other democracies. Obviously it's stupid to put activists in jail for bogus claims. And there is no justification in doing it even though other countries are doing it. It's pretty obvious to anyone with a decent IQ.
    - FpUser 5y ago
      >"so according to you, your neighbors committing murder gives YOU the right to do the same because what ??" Problem is when said murderers assume self-righteous position and pontificate how bad everyone else is. If they punish the perpetrators and fix the situation than sure, full respect. But just for the fuck of it: who for example got punished in UK for deporting and otherwise ruining lives of their own citizens (Windrush scandal)? The answer is most likely zilch. Still they teach everyone else. And yes I agree that the scale of abuse is way smaller in the countries like the US. But they compensate by abusing citizens of the other countries by dropping democratic bombs.
  - bierjunge 5y ago
    Lichtenstein, Andorra, Monaco, San Marino, Luxembourg. Can I have a cookie now?
DyslexicAtheist 5y ago
India under BJP/Modi right now is as much a "democracy" as Victor Orban's Hungary (in name only): https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2020/country-chapters/india https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2020/country-chapters/india
- zozbot234 5y ago
  India has always been quite far from a perfect democracy. Do we even have proof that this targeting of dissenters and opposition activists only started with BJP/Modi?
  - DyslexicAtheist 5y ago
    doesn't matter because we can't change the past. what's relevant today is that technology has created opportunities for power structures to exploit and take advantage at a much bigger scale. Planting of evidence (as this title points to) is just one of many things that are a problem when we pretend digital roots of trusts are flawless as is the case with the totally broken Aadhaar: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=aadhaar&sort=byPopularity&type=story https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...
barbazoo 5y ago
I'm unable to figure out how this has anything to do with "being a democracy". Can someone explain that please?
- news_user 5y ago
  The evidence was most likely planted by the investigating government agency. This adds to the several cases of crackdown against dissent, activism and criticism against the government.
  - barbazoo 5y ago
    So are parents implying that this could not have happened in a democracy? If so, that's most likely wrong.
pjc50 5y ago
"Democracy" is not a boolean, and trying to make it a yes/no criterion for any country just collapses into whataboutery.

well india is a democracy and that is why you are able read about it here.

Sr_developer 5y ago

That's why you never learn about shenanigans in N Korea, Russia and China.Yep!

zepto 5y ago
For the most part we don’t.
- FpUser 5y ago
  Not sure about NL/China but being able to read Russian freely I'd say they make more than enough stink in the media when someone gets problems for political activity. Whether the person gets a relief is of course a different question.
- Sr_developer 5y ago
  Your logic is impeccable. There is a lot going on that you dont know, but you know it is happening. I suppose you are doing a lot of shady stuff in your basement but we dont know it.
  - zepto 5y ago
    I know you’re casting shade, but we know for sure that China suppresses many kinds of politically sensitive news. They don’t hide that fact.

FpUser 5y ago

India openly admits putting activists in prison on bogus charges. What a relief, a shining example of democracy in action. Although when planting false evidence in the computer I have a bad feeling that unless the victim is some kind of VIP they might have big problems even in the traditional democratic countries.

blocked_again 5y ago
> India openly admits putting activists in prison on bogus charges. What a relief, a shining example of democracy in action. Name five democratic countries which has not done this?
- 2Gkashmiri 5y ago
  so according to you, your neighbors committing murder gives YOU the right to do the same because what ?? why are you bringing other countries into it? the question is on india here. india does this and there should be consequences regardless of what anyone else does or does not do
  - blocked_again 5y ago
    Never said that. The comment I replied back make it sounds like India is the only democracy which does this and is not a real democracy like the other democracies. Obviously it's stupid to put activists in jail for bogus claims. And there is no justification in doing it even though other countries are doing it. It's pretty obvious to anyone with a decent IQ.
  - FpUser 5y ago
    >"so according to you, your neighbors committing murder gives YOU the right to do the same because what ??" Problem is when said murderers assume self-righteous position and pontificate how bad everyone else is. If they punish the perpetrators and fix the situation than sure, full respect. But just for the fuck of it: who for example got punished in UK for deporting and otherwise ruining lives of their own citizens (Windrush scandal)? The answer is most likely zilch. Still they teach everyone else. And yes I agree that the scale of abuse is way smaller in the countries like the US. But they compensate by abusing citizens of the other countries by dropping democratic bombs.
- bierjunge 5y ago
  Lichtenstein, Andorra, Monaco, San Marino, Luxembourg. Can I have a cookie now?

DyslexicAtheist 5y ago

India under BJP/Modi right now is as much a "democracy" as Victor Orban's Hungary (in name only): https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2020/country-chapters/india https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2020/country-chapters/india

zozbot234 5y ago
India has always been quite far from a perfect democracy. Do we even have proof that this targeting of dissenters and opposition activists only started with BJP/Modi?
- DyslexicAtheist 5y ago
  doesn't matter because we can't change the past. what's relevant today is that technology has created opportunities for power structures to exploit and take advantage at a much bigger scale. Planting of evidence (as this title points to) is just one of many things that are a problem when we pretend digital roots of trusts are flawless as is the case with the totally broken Aadhaar: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=aadhaar&sort=byPopularity&type=story https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...

barbazoo 5y ago

I'm unable to figure out how this has anything to do with "being a democracy". Can someone explain that please?

news_user 5y ago
The evidence was most likely planted by the investigating government agency. This adds to the several cases of crackdown against dissent, activism and criticism against the government.
- barbazoo 5y ago
  So are parents implying that this could not have happened in a democracy? If so, that's most likely wrong.

pjc50 5y ago

"Democracy" is not a boolean, and trying to make it a yes/no criterion for any country just collapses into whataboutery.