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Probably we shall take into account, that journalist like to spread bad news! Looking back at the previous variants, the vaccines keep working. This is good new

Probably we shall take into account, that journalist like to spread bad news! Looking back at the previous variants, the vaccines keep working. This is good news! What will bring is into trouble are non vaccinated people which build a big resource pool for Covid-19 to become more aggressive. Lockdowns, removal of rights or masks cannot eliminate Covid-19 (so called short term workarounds) but the vaccines can make it rather safe (i.e. solution). What we need to get done is vaccinating as much people as possible, Covid-19 only mutates when it has a pool to do so. So it is stupid saying "I'm healthy and don't need to be vaccinated", you're just postpone a problem in front of you until it becomes worse - either for you, your loved ones, humankind or your rights. So two problems remain, stupid people and getting enough people vaccinated quickly - especially third world! We have to care about Asia, Africa and so on or we will lose. We get all vaccinated as toddlers against various diseases, sometimes it enough to not care about the illness anymore, sometimes we have eliminated the disease entirely and sometimes we need to repeat the vaccination (FSME/TBE). Clearly better than dying for preventable stuff.

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bamboozled 5y ago
> What will bring is into trouble are non vaccinated people which build a big resource pool for Covid-19 to become more aggressive. I've heard a different story from an interview with Robert Malone, the creator of mRNA vaccines [1] [1] https://www.bitchute.com/video/ukx8L3lh5CA7/ https://www.bitchute.com/video/ukx8L3lh5CA7/
- ho_schi 5y ago
  The fact that the "Creator of mRNA" got a own Wikipedia page only two weeks ago makes me suspicious. And that his name is only listed on questionable websites. And I've learned that big things are usually not created by one person. The developments around mRNA are mostly attributed to Katalin Karikó, Ingmar Hoerr and Robert Langer - over a long time period.
  - sjwalter 5y ago
    Here's the citation from some of his earliest work with mRNA from 1989: https://www.pnas.org/content/86/16/6077.long https://www.pnas.org/content/86/16/6077.long
  - pumpkinandspice 5y ago
    Before Robert Malone gained media attention, I actually read about him in Wikipedia cited as such. I should have taken a screenshot and there probably are archives but over the next couple days when his name became bigger, I re-read Wikipedia and it was removed. So I went and read his earlier papers in the 8/90s about it
    - bamboozled 5y ago
      He actually talks about his removal from Wikipedia in the interview I quoted (I'm pretty sure). I definitely saw him talk about it recently on one of the podcasts he has been on.
- a0-prw 5y ago
  Thank you so much for that link. That was an incredibly interesting interview :)
afkqs 5y ago
> Covid-19 only mutates when it has a pool to do so Have the vaccines shown to prevent infection and transmission, or only reducing the chances of getting sick? If not the case, will variants still develop among a mostly vaccinated population?
- ho_schi 5y ago
  https://www.fda.gov/emergency-preparedness-and-response/mcm-legal-regulatory-and-policy-framework/pfizer-biontech-covid-19-vaccine-frequently-asked-questions https://www.fda.gov/emergency-preparedness-and-response/mcm-... --- A: The data to support the EUA include an analysis of 36,523 participants in the ongoing randomized, placebo-controlled international study, the majority of whom are U.S. participants, who completed the 2-dose vaccination regimen and did not have evidence of SARS-CoV-2 infection through 7 days after the second dose. Among these participants, 18,198 received the vaccine and 18,325 received saline placebo. The vaccine was 95 percent effective in preventing COVID-19 disease among these clinical trial participants with 8 COVID-19 cases in the vaccine group and 162 COVID-19 cases in the placebo group. Of these 170 COVID-19 cases, 1 in the vaccine group and 3 in the placebo group were classified as severe. --- Maybe less with more aggressive variants. --- A: Most vaccines that protect from viral illnesses also reduce transmission of the virus that causes the disease by those who are vaccinated. While it is hoped this will be the case, the scientific community does not yet know if the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine will reduce such transmission. --- That said. Results in Germany look like transmission can be stopped but not must: https://www.rki.de/SharedDocs/FAQ/COVID-Impfen/FAQ_Transmission.html https://www.rki.de/SharedDocs/FAQ/COVID-Impfen/FAQ_Transmiss... I depends likely on how good your immune system works. Which is expectable.

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bamboozled 5y ago

> What will bring is into trouble are non vaccinated people which build a big resource pool for Covid-19 to become more aggressive. I've heard a different story from an interview with Robert Malone, the creator of mRNA vaccines [1] [1] https://www.bitchute.com/video/ukx8L3lh5CA7/ https://www.bitchute.com/video/ukx8L3lh5CA7/

ho_schi 5y ago
The fact that the "Creator of mRNA" got a own Wikipedia page only two weeks ago makes me suspicious. And that his name is only listed on questionable websites. And I've learned that big things are usually not created by one person. The developments around mRNA are mostly attributed to Katalin Karikó, Ingmar Hoerr and Robert Langer - over a long time period.
- sjwalter 5y ago
  Here's the citation from some of his earliest work with mRNA from 1989: https://www.pnas.org/content/86/16/6077.long https://www.pnas.org/content/86/16/6077.long
- pumpkinandspice 5y ago
  Before Robert Malone gained media attention, I actually read about him in Wikipedia cited as such. I should have taken a screenshot and there probably are archives but over the next couple days when his name became bigger, I re-read Wikipedia and it was removed. So I went and read his earlier papers in the 8/90s about it
  - bamboozled 5y ago
    He actually talks about his removal from Wikipedia in the interview I quoted (I'm pretty sure). I definitely saw him talk about it recently on one of the podcasts he has been on.
a0-prw 5y ago
Thank you so much for that link. That was an incredibly interesting interview :)

afkqs 5y ago

> Covid-19 only mutates when it has a pool to do so Have the vaccines shown to prevent infection and transmission, or only reducing the chances of getting sick? If not the case, will variants still develop among a mostly vaccinated population?

ho_schi 5y ago
https://www.fda.gov/emergency-preparedness-and-response/mcm-legal-regulatory-and-policy-framework/pfizer-biontech-covid-19-vaccine-frequently-asked-questions https://www.fda.gov/emergency-preparedness-and-response/mcm-... --- A: The data to support the EUA include an analysis of 36,523 participants in the ongoing randomized, placebo-controlled international study, the majority of whom are U.S. participants, who completed the 2-dose vaccination regimen and did not have evidence of SARS-CoV-2 infection through 7 days after the second dose. Among these participants, 18,198 received the vaccine and 18,325 received saline placebo. The vaccine was 95 percent effective in preventing COVID-19 disease among these clinical trial participants with 8 COVID-19 cases in the vaccine group and 162 COVID-19 cases in the placebo group. Of these 170 COVID-19 cases, 1 in the vaccine group and 3 in the placebo group were classified as severe. --- Maybe less with more aggressive variants. --- A: Most vaccines that protect from viral illnesses also reduce transmission of the virus that causes the disease by those who are vaccinated. While it is hoped this will be the case, the scientific community does not yet know if the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine will reduce such transmission. --- That said. Results in Germany look like transmission can be stopped but not must: https://www.rki.de/SharedDocs/FAQ/COVID-Impfen/FAQ_Transmission.html https://www.rki.de/SharedDocs/FAQ/COVID-Impfen/FAQ_Transmiss... I depends likely on how good your immune system works. Which is expectable.