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What's going on on page 12? 35,251 unvax cases, 34 deaths 4,087 full vax cases, 26 deaths (!?) I'm guessing the vax population still skews older?

admiral33 5y ago
Interesting. 57% fully vaccinated with phizer in Israel and 55% of new cases are vaccinated. Looks pretty even unlike what this report from the UK shows, hopefully the mortality rate is lower with phizer...
- mizzack 5y ago
  > Looks like a pretty even split unlike what this report from the UK shows Israel's overall vax rate is higher than UK, so that would be expected to a degree.
shoto_io 5y ago
Good catch. I assume the first number includes mostly children since Delta is mostly spreading through schools and children won't get any vaccine.
stavros 5y ago
There's also page 14 here, where more vaccinated than unvaccinated patients died: https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/997418/Variants_of_Concern_VOC_Technical_Briefing_17.pdf https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/... Very odd, especially given the much higher numbers of unvaccinated hospitalizations.
- shoto_io 5y ago
  I’m pretty sure this can be explained by the age distributions. Key part is page 44 where they calculate risks.
  - stavros 5y ago
    Ah, interesting, thanks! I was wondering.
maxerickson 5y ago
Probably older, and then also the vaccinated people that seek medical care likely had less of an immune response to the vaccine.
davidf18 5y ago
Infection rate protection of 64% is the key number because of Long Covid. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/15/health/covid-19-patients https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/15/health/covid-19-patients.... A study of 2 million people with Covid. 1/4 had symptoms 1 month and later after the initial infection. 1/5 of those were asymptomatic -- they did not know that they had Covid until they complained of health issues consistent with others who had Covid and then were tested. Areas of the US that are not well vaccinated will be having real problems, but even those that are vaccinated will have to be very, very careful.

admiral33 5y ago

Interesting. 57% fully vaccinated with phizer in Israel and 55% of new cases are vaccinated. Looks pretty even unlike what this report from the UK shows, hopefully the mortality rate is lower with phizer...

mizzack 5y ago
> Looks like a pretty even split unlike what this report from the UK shows Israel's overall vax rate is higher than UK, so that would be expected to a degree.

shoto_io 5y ago

Good catch. I assume the first number includes mostly children since Delta is mostly spreading through schools and children won't get any vaccine.

stavros 5y ago

There's also page 14 here, where more vaccinated than unvaccinated patients died: https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/997418/Variants_of_Concern_VOC_Technical_Briefing_17.pdf https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/... Very odd, especially given the much higher numbers of unvaccinated hospitalizations.

shoto_io 5y ago
I’m pretty sure this can be explained by the age distributions. Key part is page 44 where they calculate risks.
- stavros 5y ago
  Ah, interesting, thanks! I was wondering.

maxerickson 5y ago

Probably older, and then also the vaccinated people that seek medical care likely had less of an immune response to the vaccine.

davidf18 5y ago

Infection rate protection of 64% is the key number because of Long Covid. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/15/health/covid-19-patients https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/15/health/covid-19-patients.... A study of 2 million people with Covid. 1/4 had symptoms 1 month and later after the initial infection. 1/5 of those were asymptomatic -- they did not know that they had Covid until they complained of health issues consistent with others who had Covid and then were tested. Areas of the US that are not well vaccinated will be having real problems, but even those that are vaccinated will have to be very, very careful.