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If your model is "even encryption isn't good enough" then you might as well not care because there is nothing you can do to protect it.

Dah00n 5y ago
That is a strawman. Apple could just not host at Google.
- LadyCailin 5y ago
  Is the assumption that google is going to store, then attempt to decrypt the data at some point in the future? Or is the claim that google's services are less secure than Apple's would be? If not, then I'm not sure that this is worse at all. Sure, if you believe google to be actually malicious, then this would be a problem, but I don't think there's a reasonable argument to say that google would go to this length of maliciousness.
  - lrvick 5y ago
    Google -is- a malicious and exploitative surveillance capitalism company preying on people that don't feel like they have a choice. Inch by inch "don't be evil" has been replaced with "maximize profit". I have no doubt that if in 20 years decrypting "historical" Apple user data for "training purposes" is legal and will make Google leadership more money, they will pressure ethically flexible engineers to do it for them. Assume anything profitable that is legally defensible somewhere in the world will be done by every surveillance capitalism company at some point.
    - LadyCailin 5y ago
      Well, you may be right, but then if you are, I’m not sure you can justify leaving your data with Apple either, which is a public company that has the same underlying market incentives. In fact, if that’s what I believed, I doubt I would put any of my data anywhere, and rather just go live in the woods, or more likely, just give up and stop caring. I’m not convinced that Apple will be any more or less malicious than google is/was/will be when considering a 20 year time frame.
  - Dah00n 5y ago
    Well, I don't assume either really but I guess GP does. I find it unlikely to the extreme that Google would ever want to scan this content or even less so that they would go to lengths to decrypt it first. But saying that all is lost if the files can't be protected by encryption is a strawman as the data is unreachable by Google if hosted elsewhere.
- pmorici 5y ago
  No it isn’t, wether Apple stores its data in a contract data center or one it owns doesn’t change the fact that if you don’t believe encryption is effective then it’s a lost cause to worry about the privacy of your data.

Dah00n 5y ago

That is a strawman. Apple could just not host at Google.

LadyCailin 5y ago
Is the assumption that google is going to store, then attempt to decrypt the data at some point in the future? Or is the claim that google's services are less secure than Apple's would be? If not, then I'm not sure that this is worse at all. Sure, if you believe google to be actually malicious, then this would be a problem, but I don't think there's a reasonable argument to say that google would go to this length of maliciousness.
- lrvick 5y ago
  Google -is- a malicious and exploitative surveillance capitalism company preying on people that don't feel like they have a choice. Inch by inch "don't be evil" has been replaced with "maximize profit". I have no doubt that if in 20 years decrypting "historical" Apple user data for "training purposes" is legal and will make Google leadership more money, they will pressure ethically flexible engineers to do it for them. Assume anything profitable that is legally defensible somewhere in the world will be done by every surveillance capitalism company at some point.
  - LadyCailin 5y ago
    Well, you may be right, but then if you are, I’m not sure you can justify leaving your data with Apple either, which is a public company that has the same underlying market incentives. In fact, if that’s what I believed, I doubt I would put any of my data anywhere, and rather just go live in the woods, or more likely, just give up and stop caring. I’m not convinced that Apple will be any more or less malicious than google is/was/will be when considering a 20 year time frame.
- Dah00n 5y ago
  Well, I don't assume either really but I guess GP does. I find it unlikely to the extreme that Google would ever want to scan this content or even less so that they would go to lengths to decrypt it first. But saying that all is lost if the files can't be protected by encryption is a strawman as the data is unreachable by Google if hosted elsewhere.
pmorici 5y ago
No it isn’t, wether Apple stores its data in a contract data center or one it owns doesn’t change the fact that if you don’t believe encryption is effective then it’s a lost cause to worry about the privacy of your data.