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Thomas Aquinas' works with English and original Latin presented in parallel
- bombcar 5y agoThis is a working system used to produce https://aquinasinstitute.org/operaomnia/ https://aquinasinstitute.org/operaomnia/ - you can sometimes see changes made in real-time if you’re observant.
- TheFreim 5y agoThis is something I've wanted for so long! Amazing! Most sites hosting works such as those of St. Thomas Aquinas are often lacking, this looks great!
- mrkramer 5y agoWonderful!
- tasty_freeze 5y agoDoesn't work for me on FF on windows 10. There is no index on the left, the scrollbar thumb doesn't work, and when you scroll down with the arrow keys, it goes only a few paragraphs before stopping.
- da_chicken 5y agoWorks for me on FF 89.0.2 64-bit Win10 20H2.
- tasty_freeze 5y agoodd, it works for me now too
- dr_dshiv 5y agohttps://alpheios.net/ https://alpheios.net/ Is an open source project for making alignments like this. Great for learning and close inspection.
- fidesomnes 5y agoGratias tibi ago. Falsa doctrina oportet projecticius.
- SilasX 5y agoWait is the English a translation or did he write them in both languages? I’m guessing the former since the English seems too modern (and writing both versions would be a lot of work).
- TheFreim 5y agoIt's a translation. It was originally written in Latin.
- DemocracyFTW 5y agocf. 般諾波羅心經 which is, in fact, thought to have been first composed in Chinese, and later to be translated to Sanskrit. Also Aquinas was a 13th c Italian who ended up in Paris, so not altogether unreasonable that he did write in England, in English, given his conventionalized first name. I only say this to safeguard against comments along the lines that were my first impulse.
- Finnucane 5y agoIf Aquinas knew any English, it would have been more like Chaucer’s. It’s unlikely he would have had any reason to write books in English.
- SilasX 5y agoYeah that was one (of many) indicators the English wasn't an original from Aquinas. I was just confused because normally a translation will be marked as such, with the translator's name.
- yummypaint 5y agoIt has been said that the quickest way to get a question answered online is to prominently post the wrong answer. I feel like this was Aquinas's role in the development of western philosophy.
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- unmole 5y agoI don't follow. Can you elaborate?
- 52-6F-62 5y agoNot OP, but from what I understand Aquinas seems to have had a fixed lens he allowed himself to view the world through and seemingly based the fundamentals of his philosophy on. Not even Aristotle could be properly studied without a Christian lens. He's generally viewed as a net positive since Christiandom ruled the western world and Aquinas reconciled some Aristotelian and Neoplatonic views with the Catholic Church ("Nothing comes from nothing", "cause and effect", etc) But to Aquinas, those Neoplatonists from whom he derived his cosmology and philosophy were nothing better than pagans lining up to be burned in the good lord's holy fires—even though they figured the same thing about the way things appear to work.
- alentist 5y ago> a fixed lens he allowed himself to view the world through That's true of any philosopher. > to Aquinas, those Neoplatonists from whom he derived his cosmology and philosophy were nothing better than pagans Ahistorical nonsense. https://oxford.universitypressscholarship.com//mobile/view/10.1093/acprof:oso/9780199589371.001.0001/acprof-9780199589371-chapter-4 https://oxford.universitypressscholarship.com//mobile/view/1... https://www.jstor.org/stable/j.ctvqsf13g https://www.jstor.org/stable/j.ctvqsf13g
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- agomez314 5y agoThis is incredible! Great work!
- AdmiralAsshat 5y agoExcellent. My Latin is crap these days, and if I had to read the original it would take an hour to get through a page with a dictionary open, but it's great to have the Latin right there if something in the English raises an eyebrow.
- nerdponx 5y agoIt would be absolutely incredible to have a resource like The Latin Library (https://thelatinlibrary.com https://thelatinlibrary.com) with parallel translations.
- guerrilla 5y agoI like Aquinas, especially for his silly attempts to justify Aristotle's particular choice of categories, which eventually led to Occam proposing his razor... but why is this popular now?
- silent_cal 5y agoHe is much more satisfying to read than modern philosophers.
- silent_cal 5y agoBecause his philosophy is true.
- guerrilla 5y agoVirtually nobody thinks that, so you're going to have to justify why you do.
- dantondwa 5y agoI wish this existed for every philosopher. This is marvelous and an example of what I love about the Internet!
- slaymaker1907 5y agoThis reminds be of the "No Fear" series of classics which really helped me get into Shakespeare. What I usually do with stuff like this is read the original, read the translated/simplified version, and then finally read the original text again. I find that this method really helps both reinforce the meaning as well as appreciate the beauty of the original language.
- arkj 5y agoI found this curation of lectures https://aquinas101.thomisticinstitute.org/ https://aquinas101.thomisticinstitute.org/ (they are on apple podcast as well) very helpful to understand the thought of Aquinas. It's not like a typical course but collection of talks on aspects of Thomistic philosophy.
- silent_cal 5y agoSt Thomas was a man of prayer and a Galaxy Brain!
- cbfrench 5y agoI’m prepared to go ahead and grant him Universe Brain status. ;)
- svat 5y agoWhat are some other websites/resources like this? That is, ones that make a text easier to read, either with parallel translation or word lookup etc? Listing the ones I know (in no particular order, just a list I had collected a while ago): - Physical (print) books: Loeb Classical Library (Greek and Latin) https://www.loebclassics.com/ https://www.loebclassics.com/, Clay Sanskrit Library (Sanskrit) http://www.claysanskritlibrary.org/volumes_current.php http://www.claysanskritlibrary.org/volumes_current.php, Murty Classical Library of India (various languages) https://murtylibrary.com/volumes.php https://murtylibrary.com/volumes.php. - Perseus Hopper (Greek and Latin), https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/ https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/ - Chinese Text Project (https://ctext.org/ https://ctext.org/) - https://nodictionaries.com/ https://nodictionaries.com/ (Latin) - http://pseudw.herokuapp.com/iliad/books/1?start=500&end=589&vocabulary http://pseudw.herokuapp.com/iliad/books/1?start=500&end=589&... = https://github.com/nkallen/pseudw/ https://github.com/nkallen/pseudw/ (Greek: The Iliad) - http://alpheios.net/ http://alpheios.net/ (Latin, Greek) - quran.com / legacy.quran.com / corpus.quran.com (The Quran: Arabic) - Dickinson College Commentaries (Latin) e.g. https://dcc.dickinson.edu/tacitus-agricola/1 https://dcc.dickinson.edu/tacitus-agricola/1 - "e-readers" under http://sanskrit.uohyd.ac.in/scl/ http://sanskrit.uohyd.ac.in/scl/ (Sanskrit) - Gita Supersite (Sanskrit) e.g. https://www.gitasupersite.iitk.ac.in/srimad?language=dv&field_chapter_value=2&field_nsutra_value=22&scsh=1&scang=1&scram=1&scmad=1&scms=1&scvv=1&ecsiva=1&etsiva=1&etpurohit=1&etgb=1&setgb=1&etssa=1&etassa=1&etradi=1&etadi=1 https://www.gitasupersite.iitk.ac.in/srimad?language=dv&fiel... - https://greenmesg.org/stotras/lakshmi/sri_suktam.php https://greenmesg.org/stotras/lakshmi/sri_suktam.php etc (Sanskrit) - No Fear Shakespeare (https://www.sparknotes.com/shakespeare/ https://www.sparknotes.com/shakespeare/) - https://github.com/tasuki/side-by-side https://github.com/tasuki/side-by-side e.g. https://enchiridion.tasuki.org https://enchiridion.tasuki.org https://ttc.tasuki.org/ https://ttc.tasuki.org/ - This one (https://aquinas.cc/la/en/~ST.I.Pr.3 https://aquinas.cc/la/en/~ST.I.Pr.3) Of these, http://alpheios.net/ http://alpheios.net/ and https://github.com/tasuki/side-by-side https://github.com/tasuki/side-by-side are ones that allow you to build your own webpages / present your own texts. Are there more?
- peterburkimsher 5y agoShameless plug for my own Chinese-learning program, Pingtype. It does word-by-word translation as well. Here's a direct link to one example dataset (Bible) https://pingtype.github.io/bible.html https://pingtype.github.io/bible.html
- gerdesj 5y agoThis is a great resource but please for the love of Tommy, use modern English. "Because the Teacher of Catholic truth ought not only to teach the proficient, but also to instruct beginners, according to the Apostle:" I'm not looking for: "lol, don't preach to the choir rofl. The Big Guy says so." but it's 2020ish and not 1950. I know exactly where that language style (in the translation) comes from and it needs to go away. If I find the word "thou" later, I will go (slightly) postal. OK my left eye will twitch a bit.
- svat 5y agoTranslations are not made every day; one has to pick from what is available (and in the public domain at that, for a website like this), and the translation used here is evidently the one published in 1922 in 21 volumes as being by "Fathers of the English Dominican Province" but actually by one person, Father Laurence Shapcote (1864–1947). (Via the article linked from https://thomistica.net/news/2011/9/13/the-shapcote-translation.html https://thomistica.net/news/2011/9/13/the-shapcote-translati...) > In 1910 the Province decided to have the Summa translated. Fr Laurence brought out the first volumes before he left England, but the bulk of the work was done in South Africa. In addition he also translated the Summa Contra Gentes (4 volumes, 1923 –1929), and the Quaestiones Disputatae de Potentia (3 volumes, 1932–34). This translation of the Summa is ‘literal’. […] In a way, for students who have no Latin, the Shapcote translation gives a better idea, more of the feel, of the original, even though it does not make conversation with St Thomas so easy. > Laurence Shapcote never wrote anything: there is no way of telling what his own ‘Thomism’ was. It is a century since he started work. He did not respond to suggestions that he should unmask his anonymity. Readers who are thankful for this literal translation would surely be all the more grateful if they knew that it was done by Laurence Shapcote alone, in very austere conditions, on the Rand and in Natal, doggedly translating his way through the major works of St Thomas. But your comment is intriguing; I'm mostly struck by the idea that the style of 1950s is so much different from that of 2020s. (For reference, 1950 was the year of publication of Asimov's "I, Robot" collection of stories published earlier, or C. S. Lewis's "The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe"; Greene's The Third Man and Orwell's Nineteen Eighty-Four were published the previous year.) In what sense is the sentence fragment you quoted not modern English? You gave an example of what you're not looking for; could you also give an example of how you would rewrite it? And what does this have to do with "thou", which went out of use in the 17th century? (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Thou&oldid=1025162596#General_decline_in_Early_Modern_English https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Thou&oldid=102516...) A translation into standard English wouldn't have used "thou" even in 1950 (and this 1922 translation doesn't either, except in literal quotes from the King James Bible). (Of course, neither of us is using the technical meaning of "modern English" which includes Shakespeare too https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Modern_English&oldid=1029078619 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Modern_English&ol... .)