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I don't understand, why harass the forker when surely the real target is whoever is adding this (alleged) spyware?

by lloydatkinson 5y ago

tokai 5y ago
Somebody fed the trolls.
- numpad0 5y ago
  Trolls has special enzymes to convert ambient CO2 into glucose so quite hard to practically avoid it. IMO the only way to suppress trolls is by silencing them systematically, consistently, un-emotionally and thoroughly till their brain becomes confused as to what outcomes were to be expected. Any sign of life or gamble-able metrics coming through reignites their reward system.
ushakov 5y ago
he started a poll to choose a name for the fork and “Sneedacity” was given as an option, purely for jokes 4chan folks voted for the name after refusing to accept the name (since the the fork had a serious intent), the folks started to threaten him and his family for what followed and author’s comment, see his exact comment: https://github.com/temporary-audacity/audacity/issues/48#issuecomment-874555049 https://github.com/temporary-audacity/audacity/issues/48#iss...
- stavros 5y ago
  How the hell do people think it's okay to call and threaten/harass someone just because they didn't pick your favorite poll option for their project? Wow.
  - ianai 5y ago
    It’s one of the worst trends in today’s culture. It’s ok to disagree with someone - even vehemently so. Threats of death have no place in convincing someone. It’s just tyranny.
    - Huwyt_Nashi051 5y ago
      It's not tyranny, and nobody is having their life threatened. It's harmless (though very annoying, of course) fun by bored internet strangers. It's very difficult for me to understand how someone could read this situation so seriously - have you never been/observed teenage boys in their natural habitat? These are not the people destroying lives by having people fired, ostracised, banned and depersoned over social or political facts and opinions.
      - hluska 5y ago
        Did you actually read the article? This individual received hundreds of vile messages and his contacts and family members were harassed. If you think this represents teenagers in their natural habitat, either that natural habitat is a jail or you’re not aware of how deeply fucked up this is. Frankly, the little fuckers should all serve time for this. If you wanna act like a gangster from the safety of mommy’s basement, maybe it’s time to meet some real gangsters.
        legostormtroopr 5y ago
        > This individual received hundreds of vile messages This individual claims they received hundreds of vile messages. We can't confirm that.
        meguminloli 5y ago
        >This individual claims they received hundreds of vile messages Right. Looks like he deleted a message from an individual asking him for proof. I kept the archive of that. https://archive.is/9j5zn https://archive.is/9j5zn
        hluska 5y ago
        And more trolls are here continuing the gaslighting. I operate here under my real name. What is your real name? Where do you work? Why are you choosing to continue this harassment?
  - Retr0id 5y ago
    People to want to have some measurable impact on the world. Some of those same people also feel powerless to effect change, through socially acceptable means. Couple that desperation with an underdeveloped prefrontal cortex, and you have someone who just wants to be noticed by the world, regardless of any negative consequences. People also love to be part of a group - and for the same reasons, they don't care if that group is a harassment campaign. They will read this thread and think "hey, I helped do that!", and get a small buzz - just like most of us feel if one of our own projects is featured on HN. They know it's "not okay", but they just don't care. This is a massive oversimplification, but I think it goes some way to explain why these sorts of things happen.
    - leoc 5y ago
      You're mostly just missing the quasi-Darwinian dynamic of places like 4chan where these teenage boys, clinical psychopaths and the like all gather anonymously to compete over who's most flamboyantly too cool for school, so that trying to rein things in makes you a loser by definition.
      - jowsie 5y ago
        You sound like someone who's never looked at anything other than /b/ and /pol/
        dsr_ 5y ago
        Pointing out that the garbage dump also has a nice re-use station and a recycling sorter doesn't make the parts of it on fire emit fewer noxious fumes.
        leoc 5y ago
        Sure: I don't have any strong opinions one way or the other about Not All 4chan so feel free to amend "4chan" to "the worst bits of 4chan" if you think that's more accurate. But IME when you hear someone say "no, that's just /b/" then it seems that usually you hear some other story pretty soon afterwards which suggests that it's not just /b/.
        5y ago
  - Tenoke 5y ago
    I don't remotely condone this but I do see how they'd want to punish someone for reneging on a social contract, thus making their efforts pointless, and since it's 4chan they went extremely disproportionate with the punishment.
    - toss1 5y ago
      So perhaps these 4chan-ers who think disproportionate punishment appropriate should themselves experience some disproportionate punishment - e.g., handcuffs court dates, court costs, and jail time - Book 'em, and see how funny they & their parents think it is then. Just because you want to punish someone for 'breaking a social contract' does not give you free license to become judge, jury, and executioner with any penalty you feel like at the moment. The next step to that is maybe we feel like they are irredeemable sick f*ks already showing strong dark triad traits, and society is better off without them, so off with their heads. Since we can all dish out whatever penalty wwe feel like when we feel wronged, no problem, right?
      - Tenoke 5y ago
        >So perhaps these 4chan-ers who think disproportionate punishment appropriate should themselves experience some disproportionate punishment - e.g., handcuffs court dates, court costs, and jail time - Book 'em, and see how funny they & their parents think it is then. That seems potentially proportionate but in general you seem to share (a lesser version of) their mindset - that disproportionate punishments are fine when it's against those who have wronged you.
        jfengel 5y ago
        I'm not sure it is disproportionate. Death threats are felonies. You would only apply the penalties already on the books.
        Tenoke 5y ago
        That was my (first) point, too though I am not sure if there were death threats - ctrl-f 'death' returned nothing on the issue, and surely he'd mention them while explaining the harassments.
  - SneDeCode 5y ago
    I was in the threads and I didn't see a single person posting personal information or encouraging harassment. Cookieengineer randomly decided to claim that "70 people" had called him to harass him. He's now deleted the tweet and there's absolutely no evidence that anyone called him or that his number was even accessible online.
- yangminded 5y ago
  Thanks for the context. What a sad and despicable behavior by those people.
- creshal 5y ago
  Sounds like everyone with a working brain left 4chan long ago and all that's left are the trolls who don't understand the concept of humour.
  - AussieWog93 5y ago
    I was there 10 years ago. It was always this bad.
    - creshal 5y ago
      I dunno, 15 years ago the doxxing and death threats was reserved to child molesters and animal abusers, and vote flooding done just for fun. But I guess people got too drunk on that power.
      - AussieWog93 5y ago
        My memories are fairly vague, but I do remember the "Pool's closed" raid leading to some random grandmother getting flooded with phone calls from /b/tards. The Chris Chan saga also started in 2007, from what I just looked up. There was definitely a gradual decline, but it was happening even back in the 00s.
      - acdha 5y ago
        I think it’s gotten worse, especially after GamerGate led to people tasting political power, but I think “reserved” was never completely true - even in the 2000s it had the same reputation for leaking unpleasantly. Mobs are simply volatile.
      - ziml77 5y ago
        It's likely not the same people but instead a slow culture shift as new people come in and push the limits a little bit more. There's also a feedback loop as the more extreme actions will drive out less extreme users and attract more extreme users.
    - chownie 5y ago
      "4chan was always this bad" is a surviving meme with no merit. 10 years ago you could have a thread without /pol/ buzzwords coming up. 10 years ago the snarl word of the day was "hipster" for god's sake, you can look back through the archives and see the decline.
- bb88 5y ago
  So apparently sneedacity is a real github repo now. https://github.com/Sneeds-Feed-and-Seed/sneedacity https://github.com/Sneeds-Feed-and-Seed/sneedacity It apparently got added to the AUR but was subsequently removed. https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/sneedacity-git/ https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/sneedacity-git/ Here's the google webcache: https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:zCMLFhkqZVwJ:https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/sneedacity-git/+&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:zCMLFh...
  - jtvjan 5y ago
    >but was subsequently removed The given deletion reason was pretty funny, too: “Offensive; Derogatory naming. (short for "special need"; a person who acts like a complete retard.)”[1] ‘Sneed’ is a joke from The Simpsons.[2] [1]: https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-requests/2021-July/056004.html https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-requests/2021-July... [2]: https://static.simpsonswiki.com/images/b/bb/Sneed's_feed_and_seed.png https://static.simpsonswiki.com/images/b/bb/Sneed's_feed_and...
    - pelagicAustral 5y ago
      Formerly Chuck's...
- DesuDesu12 5y ago
  His phone number and IRL identity are not easily available and he hasn’t posted any proof. The guy can’t even code C and only does webdev. Edit: lmao seething Learn how to google hack and check his ”cookiengineer” accounts for yourself If you have to resort to brazen and ignorant reddit-tier downvoting instead of looking for actual evidence and just shouting ”TRUST VICTAMS” you honestly do not deserve the internet.
- justshowpost 5y ago
  > fork had a serious intent > given option purely for jokes This doesn't mix well and looks like a rigged poll for me. Even in Tropico if you allow election and lose it you lose the mission.
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EwanToo 5y ago
They're trolls (and worse), there is no meaningful why
- s9w 5y ago
  You don't understand the issue, make no effort to do so and already know the answer. You made up your mind before entering this thread. Perhaps time for some self-reflection?
Peos 5y ago
the forker is a professional victim. he deleted his lies from twitter a few mins ago, but the drama is here to stay.

I don't understand, why harass the forker when surely the real target is whoever is adding this (alleged) spyware?

tokai 5y ago

Somebody fed the trolls.

numpad0 5y ago
Trolls has special enzymes to convert ambient CO2 into glucose so quite hard to practically avoid it. IMO the only way to suppress trolls is by silencing them systematically, consistently, un-emotionally and thoroughly till their brain becomes confused as to what outcomes were to be expected. Any sign of life or gamble-able metrics coming through reignites their reward system.

ushakov 5y ago

he started a poll to choose a name for the fork and “Sneedacity” was given as an option, purely for jokes 4chan folks voted for the name after refusing to accept the name (since the the fork had a serious intent), the folks started to threaten him and his family for what followed and author’s comment, see his exact comment: https://github.com/temporary-audacity/audacity/issues/48#issuecomment-874555049 https://github.com/temporary-audacity/audacity/issues/48#iss...

stavros 5y ago
How the hell do people think it's okay to call and threaten/harass someone just because they didn't pick your favorite poll option for their project? Wow.
- ianai 5y ago
  It’s one of the worst trends in today’s culture. It’s ok to disagree with someone - even vehemently so. Threats of death have no place in convincing someone. It’s just tyranny.
  - Huwyt_Nashi051 5y ago
    It's not tyranny, and nobody is having their life threatened. It's harmless (though very annoying, of course) fun by bored internet strangers. It's very difficult for me to understand how someone could read this situation so seriously - have you never been/observed teenage boys in their natural habitat? These are not the people destroying lives by having people fired, ostracised, banned and depersoned over social or political facts and opinions.
    - hluska 5y ago
      Did you actually read the article? This individual received hundreds of vile messages and his contacts and family members were harassed. If you think this represents teenagers in their natural habitat, either that natural habitat is a jail or you’re not aware of how deeply fucked up this is. Frankly, the little fuckers should all serve time for this. If you wanna act like a gangster from the safety of mommy’s basement, maybe it’s time to meet some real gangsters.
      - legostormtroopr 5y ago
        > This individual received hundreds of vile messages This individual claims they received hundreds of vile messages. We can't confirm that.
        meguminloli 5y ago
        >This individual claims they received hundreds of vile messages Right. Looks like he deleted a message from an individual asking him for proof. I kept the archive of that. https://archive.is/9j5zn https://archive.is/9j5zn
        hluska 5y ago
        And more trolls are here continuing the gaslighting. I operate here under my real name. What is your real name? Where do you work? Why are you choosing to continue this harassment?
- Retr0id 5y ago
  People to want to have some measurable impact on the world. Some of those same people also feel powerless to effect change, through socially acceptable means. Couple that desperation with an underdeveloped prefrontal cortex, and you have someone who just wants to be noticed by the world, regardless of any negative consequences. People also love to be part of a group - and for the same reasons, they don't care if that group is a harassment campaign. They will read this thread and think "hey, I helped do that!", and get a small buzz - just like most of us feel if one of our own projects is featured on HN. They know it's "not okay", but they just don't care. This is a massive oversimplification, but I think it goes some way to explain why these sorts of things happen.
  - leoc 5y ago
    You're mostly just missing the quasi-Darwinian dynamic of places like 4chan where these teenage boys, clinical psychopaths and the like all gather anonymously to compete over who's most flamboyantly too cool for school, so that trying to rein things in makes you a loser by definition.
    - jowsie 5y ago
      You sound like someone who's never looked at anything other than /b/ and /pol/
      - dsr_ 5y ago
        Pointing out that the garbage dump also has a nice re-use station and a recycling sorter doesn't make the parts of it on fire emit fewer noxious fumes.
      - leoc 5y ago
        Sure: I don't have any strong opinions one way or the other about Not All 4chan so feel free to amend "4chan" to "the worst bits of 4chan" if you think that's more accurate. But IME when you hear someone say "no, that's just /b/" then it seems that usually you hear some other story pretty soon afterwards which suggests that it's not just /b/.
      - 5y ago
- Tenoke 5y ago
  I don't remotely condone this but I do see how they'd want to punish someone for reneging on a social contract, thus making their efforts pointless, and since it's 4chan they went extremely disproportionate with the punishment.
  - toss1 5y ago
    So perhaps these 4chan-ers who think disproportionate punishment appropriate should themselves experience some disproportionate punishment - e.g., handcuffs court dates, court costs, and jail time - Book 'em, and see how funny they & their parents think it is then. Just because you want to punish someone for 'breaking a social contract' does not give you free license to become judge, jury, and executioner with any penalty you feel like at the moment. The next step to that is maybe we feel like they are irredeemable sick f*ks already showing strong dark triad traits, and society is better off without them, so off with their heads. Since we can all dish out whatever penalty wwe feel like when we feel wronged, no problem, right?
    - Tenoke 5y ago
      >So perhaps these 4chan-ers who think disproportionate punishment appropriate should themselves experience some disproportionate punishment - e.g., handcuffs court dates, court costs, and jail time - Book 'em, and see how funny they & their parents think it is then. That seems potentially proportionate but in general you seem to share (a lesser version of) their mindset - that disproportionate punishments are fine when it's against those who have wronged you.
      - jfengel 5y ago
        I'm not sure it is disproportionate. Death threats are felonies. You would only apply the penalties already on the books.
        Tenoke 5y ago
        That was my (first) point, too though I am not sure if there were death threats - ctrl-f 'death' returned nothing on the issue, and surely he'd mention them while explaining the harassments.
- SneDeCode 5y ago
  I was in the threads and I didn't see a single person posting personal information or encouraging harassment. Cookieengineer randomly decided to claim that "70 people" had called him to harass him. He's now deleted the tweet and there's absolutely no evidence that anyone called him or that his number was even accessible online.
yangminded 5y ago
Thanks for the context. What a sad and despicable behavior by those people.
creshal 5y ago
Sounds like everyone with a working brain left 4chan long ago and all that's left are the trolls who don't understand the concept of humour.
- AussieWog93 5y ago
  I was there 10 years ago. It was always this bad.
  - creshal 5y ago
    I dunno, 15 years ago the doxxing and death threats was reserved to child molesters and animal abusers, and vote flooding done just for fun. But I guess people got too drunk on that power.
    - AussieWog93 5y ago
      My memories are fairly vague, but I do remember the "Pool's closed" raid leading to some random grandmother getting flooded with phone calls from /b/tards. The Chris Chan saga also started in 2007, from what I just looked up. There was definitely a gradual decline, but it was happening even back in the 00s.
    - acdha 5y ago
      I think it’s gotten worse, especially after GamerGate led to people tasting political power, but I think “reserved” was never completely true - even in the 2000s it had the same reputation for leaking unpleasantly. Mobs are simply volatile.
    - ziml77 5y ago
      It's likely not the same people but instead a slow culture shift as new people come in and push the limits a little bit more. There's also a feedback loop as the more extreme actions will drive out less extreme users and attract more extreme users.
  - chownie 5y ago
    "4chan was always this bad" is a surviving meme with no merit. 10 years ago you could have a thread without /pol/ buzzwords coming up. 10 years ago the snarl word of the day was "hipster" for god's sake, you can look back through the archives and see the decline.
bb88 5y ago
So apparently sneedacity is a real github repo now. https://github.com/Sneeds-Feed-and-Seed/sneedacity https://github.com/Sneeds-Feed-and-Seed/sneedacity It apparently got added to the AUR but was subsequently removed. https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/sneedacity-git/ https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/sneedacity-git/ Here's the google webcache: https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:zCMLFhkqZVwJ:https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/sneedacity-git/+&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:zCMLFh...
- jtvjan 5y ago
  >but was subsequently removed The given deletion reason was pretty funny, too: “Offensive; Derogatory naming. (short for "special need"; a person who acts like a complete retard.)”[1] ‘Sneed’ is a joke from The Simpsons.[2] [1]: https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-requests/2021-July/056004.html https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-requests/2021-July... [2]: https://static.simpsonswiki.com/images/b/bb/Sneed's_feed_and_seed.png https://static.simpsonswiki.com/images/b/bb/Sneed's_feed_and...
  - pelagicAustral 5y ago
    Formerly Chuck's...
DesuDesu12 5y ago
His phone number and IRL identity are not easily available and he hasn’t posted any proof. The guy can’t even code C and only does webdev. Edit: lmao seething Learn how to google hack and check his ”cookiengineer” accounts for yourself If you have to resort to brazen and ignorant reddit-tier downvoting instead of looking for actual evidence and just shouting ”TRUST VICTAMS” you honestly do not deserve the internet.
justshowpost 5y ago
> fork had a serious intent > given option purely for jokes This doesn't mix well and looks like a rigged poll for me. Even in Tropico if you allow election and lose it you lose the mission.

deleted 5y ago

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EwanToo 5y ago

They're trolls (and worse), there is no meaningful why

s9w 5y ago
You don't understand the issue, make no effort to do so and already know the answer. You made up your mind before entering this thread. Perhaps time for some self-reflection?

Peos 5y ago

the forker is a professional victim. he deleted his lies from twitter a few mins ago, but the drama is here to stay.