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Why is a government elected through due process, with free and fair elections a "crony" govt. I can understand ones hate for the policies of a govt, but this i

Why is a government elected through due process, with free and fair elections a "crony" govt. I can understand ones hate for the policies of a govt, but this is absurd.

2Gkashmiri 5y ago
crony for selling out public infrastructure to capitalists, for waiving loans for billion dollar scammers but farmers resort to suicide when they are unable to pay back their small loans, when "elected governments" act as the nazi party and "image" is worth more than lives of ordinary citizens, when they do as they wish, have people disappear as they like, when journalists are arrested and people killed for speaking against this "Elected government". yeah, that crony elected government. edit; https://theprint.in/india/journalist-activist-jailed-under-nsa-for-45-days-over-cow-posts-in-manipur-its-not-unusual/684133/ https://theprint.in/india/journalist-activist-jailed-under-n... like these journalists. imagine an elected government can arrest anyone over cow posts? either these people have committed such heinous crimes against cows that their incarceration is necessary to protect law and order in cow community or the government has a vendetta against them. I'd go with the latter and with that, your elected government nonsense just flies away
- kumarvvr 5y ago
  > selling out public infrastructure to capitalists Not sure what you mean. If there are any specific scandals you can point out to, I'd be really happy to know more. Are you suggesting govt. should not contract out infrastructure projects? > for waiving loans for billion dollar scammers More than 80% of property/money of such defaulters has been taken back by the government. https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/banks-cheated-by-mallya-modi-and-choksi-get-rs-9-371-crore-from-ed-101624428568557.html https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/banks-cheated-by-m... > farmers resort to suicide when they are unable to pay back their small loans The govt. pays a lot of money to farmers. 21% of farm income is from govt. subsidies. (Subsidies that the US and other developed nations have been fighting to stop, so that they can compete in Indian markets). https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/blogs/economic-policy/farm-subsidies-account-for-21-farm-income-per-hectare-with-continuing-patronage-of-governments/ https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/blogs/economic-policy/fa... Farmer suicides have been more or less constant for many decades now. Its a sad situation and the causes of suicides are many and varied. The current govt. has brought in a lot of technology driven improvements to distribution of subsidies, eliminating middlemen, etc. The current farmer protests are mostly by rich farmer middlemen from Punjab, who will see their commissions reduces significantly if farmers start selling in markets with real competition. > when "elected governments" act as the nazi party and "image" is worth more than lives of ordinary citizens This could potentially mean very many things. It would help if you could be specific. Just shouting Nazi and lives of ordinary citizens means nothing. > have people disappear as they like Not very knowledgeable on this subject. Would love to hear more. > when journalists are arrested and people killed for speaking against this "Elected government" Most incidents I have seen are for deliberate instances of mis-information and shoddy journalism, leading to tense situations. I would be glad to hear of any instances where journalists have been wrongfully arrested. The example you cite is for a journalist who was arrested based on a complaint from a Woman's Union, and that was for his posts of FB rather. I never support suppression of free speech and news media, but the North Eastern states of India have a unique situation because China is fomenting a lot of separatism within the states and it is internationally knows that it claims Arunachal Pradesh as its own.
  - selimthegrim 5y ago
    I mean this is a little much - Manipur and Meghalaya are Hindu majority and China is fomenting separatism there too?
    - prudhvis 5y ago
      Interesting you bring this up. A counter example would be what's happening in Balochistan. It has a majority Muslim population, is India forme ting separatism there too?
      - selimthegrim 5y ago
        I wouldn’t say fomenting but it’s happy to give the swing a push.
eldaisfish 5y ago
you are all over this thread making bad faith arguments. Just because a government is elected through the process of voting, does not mean that it is accountable to the people. Politics is a dirty business and that is as true in India as it is in the US. You would struggle to make the case that the duly elected president of the USA, one Mr Trump, was anything but a con-man whose primary aim was the enrichment of himself and those in his circle. A voting system is just that - a voting system. Don't confuse it with a robust democracy.
- 2Gkashmiri 5y ago
  thank you. the idea of the ruiling party and their supporters is that "you elected us so we are free to do whatever the fuck we want and anyone against us is destroying the social fabric of the country by defying authority that elections gave us. " they murdered an 88 year old activist in jail by prolonging his stay. next hearing, next hearing, next hearing and yesterday he fell to covid. not to talk about thousands of political prisoners. their anti-terror law recently was found to have 2% conviction rate. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/7/2/india-terror-law-uapa-muslims-activists https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/7/2/india-terror-law-uap... essentially they book everyone and anyone and years later they are found not guilty. justice won but the years lost for that person? no compensation for that https://www.trtworld.com/magazine/kashmiri-man-walks-free-after-12-years-of-wrongful-imprisonment-in-india-47952 https://www.trtworld.com/magazine/kashmiri-man-walks-free-af... 12 years this guy was imprisoned.
- kumarvvr 5y ago
  > Just because a government is elected through the process of voting, does not mean that it is accountable to the people Isn't that true everywhere? in every democracy? Why do you think there are three equally powerful branches of govt., the legislation, the judiciary and the military? Indian constitution has good measure of checks and balances. If the ruling govt. passes a law, the opposition can always go to court and challenge the constitutionality of the law. > robust democracy Tell me what are the facets of a robust democracy and lets see if its applicable to Indian Constitution and political system.
  - 5y ago
srean 5y ago
About one third of the country did not participate in the election. Of the two third that did about 40% did not vote for the party that is in power. So it is oversold that the party has universal endorsement. Even if it did, that in no way prevents crony governance. The way modern democracies work, once in power governments have little interest in representing those they purportedly represent. Most of the time they are making good of the 5 years they have to enrich themselves and their party.

Why is a government elected through due process, with free and fair elections a "crony" govt. I can understand ones hate for the policies of a govt, but this is absurd.

2Gkashmiri 5y ago

crony for selling out public infrastructure to capitalists, for waiving loans for billion dollar scammers but farmers resort to suicide when they are unable to pay back their small loans, when "elected governments" act as the nazi party and "image" is worth more than lives of ordinary citizens, when they do as they wish, have people disappear as they like, when journalists are arrested and people killed for speaking against this "Elected government". yeah, that crony elected government. edit; https://theprint.in/india/journalist-activist-jailed-under-nsa-for-45-days-over-cow-posts-in-manipur-its-not-unusual/684133/ https://theprint.in/india/journalist-activist-jailed-under-n... like these journalists. imagine an elected government can arrest anyone over cow posts? either these people have committed such heinous crimes against cows that their incarceration is necessary to protect law and order in cow community or the government has a vendetta against them. I'd go with the latter and with that, your elected government nonsense just flies away

kumarvvr 5y ago
> selling out public infrastructure to capitalists Not sure what you mean. If there are any specific scandals you can point out to, I'd be really happy to know more. Are you suggesting govt. should not contract out infrastructure projects? > for waiving loans for billion dollar scammers More than 80% of property/money of such defaulters has been taken back by the government. https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/banks-cheated-by-mallya-modi-and-choksi-get-rs-9-371-crore-from-ed-101624428568557.html https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/banks-cheated-by-m... > farmers resort to suicide when they are unable to pay back their small loans The govt. pays a lot of money to farmers. 21% of farm income is from govt. subsidies. (Subsidies that the US and other developed nations have been fighting to stop, so that they can compete in Indian markets). https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/blogs/economic-policy/farm-subsidies-account-for-21-farm-income-per-hectare-with-continuing-patronage-of-governments/ https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/blogs/economic-policy/fa... Farmer suicides have been more or less constant for many decades now. Its a sad situation and the causes of suicides are many and varied. The current govt. has brought in a lot of technology driven improvements to distribution of subsidies, eliminating middlemen, etc. The current farmer protests are mostly by rich farmer middlemen from Punjab, who will see their commissions reduces significantly if farmers start selling in markets with real competition. > when "elected governments" act as the nazi party and "image" is worth more than lives of ordinary citizens This could potentially mean very many things. It would help if you could be specific. Just shouting Nazi and lives of ordinary citizens means nothing. > have people disappear as they like Not very knowledgeable on this subject. Would love to hear more. > when journalists are arrested and people killed for speaking against this "Elected government" Most incidents I have seen are for deliberate instances of mis-information and shoddy journalism, leading to tense situations. I would be glad to hear of any instances where journalists have been wrongfully arrested. The example you cite is for a journalist who was arrested based on a complaint from a Woman's Union, and that was for his posts of FB rather. I never support suppression of free speech and news media, but the North Eastern states of India have a unique situation because China is fomenting a lot of separatism within the states and it is internationally knows that it claims Arunachal Pradesh as its own.
- selimthegrim 5y ago
  I mean this is a little much - Manipur and Meghalaya are Hindu majority and China is fomenting separatism there too?
  - prudhvis 5y ago
    Interesting you bring this up. A counter example would be what's happening in Balochistan. It has a majority Muslim population, is India forme ting separatism there too?
    - selimthegrim 5y ago
      I wouldn’t say fomenting but it’s happy to give the swing a push.

eldaisfish 5y ago

you are all over this thread making bad faith arguments. Just because a government is elected through the process of voting, does not mean that it is accountable to the people. Politics is a dirty business and that is as true in India as it is in the US. You would struggle to make the case that the duly elected president of the USA, one Mr Trump, was anything but a con-man whose primary aim was the enrichment of himself and those in his circle. A voting system is just that - a voting system. Don't confuse it with a robust democracy.

2Gkashmiri 5y ago
thank you. the idea of the ruiling party and their supporters is that "you elected us so we are free to do whatever the fuck we want and anyone against us is destroying the social fabric of the country by defying authority that elections gave us. " they murdered an 88 year old activist in jail by prolonging his stay. next hearing, next hearing, next hearing and yesterday he fell to covid. not to talk about thousands of political prisoners. their anti-terror law recently was found to have 2% conviction rate. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/7/2/india-terror-law-uapa-muslims-activists https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/7/2/india-terror-law-uap... essentially they book everyone and anyone and years later they are found not guilty. justice won but the years lost for that person? no compensation for that https://www.trtworld.com/magazine/kashmiri-man-walks-free-after-12-years-of-wrongful-imprisonment-in-india-47952 https://www.trtworld.com/magazine/kashmiri-man-walks-free-af... 12 years this guy was imprisoned.
kumarvvr 5y ago
> Just because a government is elected through the process of voting, does not mean that it is accountable to the people Isn't that true everywhere? in every democracy? Why do you think there are three equally powerful branches of govt., the legislation, the judiciary and the military? Indian constitution has good measure of checks and balances. If the ruling govt. passes a law, the opposition can always go to court and challenge the constitutionality of the law. > robust democracy Tell me what are the facets of a robust democracy and lets see if its applicable to Indian Constitution and political system.
- 5y ago

srean 5y ago

About one third of the country did not participate in the election. Of the two third that did about 40% did not vote for the party that is in power. So it is oversold that the party has universal endorsement. Even if it did, that in no way prevents crony governance. The way modern democracies work, once in power governments have little interest in representing those they purportedly represent. Most of the time they are making good of the 5 years they have to enrich themselves and their party.