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I'll remember to keep this in mind while my house rep repeatedly gaslights us on rising violent crime statistics and calls our concerns about violent crime a "h

I'll remember to keep this in mind while my house rep repeatedly gaslights us on rising violent crime statistics and calls our concerns about violent crime a "hysteria" while doubling down on her defund the police rhetoric. The moronic behavior of our elected officials in NYC has driven me to leave and sadly I will be gone long before they will.

leereeves 5y ago
Hasn't Eric Adams, the former police chief leading the race for mayor, promised to end that insanity? (And when are they going to finish counting those votes?)
- busterarm 5y ago
  Nobody knows who the hell Eric Adams is. Even here in NY. He _barely_ won his primary. My rep that I mentioned earlier is nationally the press' darling.
  - addicted 5y ago
    The NYPD’s budget was “cut” to levels from 2 years ago to pre pandemic levels. The “cut” is also chimeric because the money to the NYPD was funneled through other avenues (for example, through the MTA, where Cuomo increased funding to the NYPD by getting the MTA to pay for NYPD presence in the subway funneling money to the NYPD without making it obvious at a time it wasn’t politically viable to increase police funding). That’s why headcount and the operational budget remained the same despite the “cut” and the fact that the NYPD officers received more overtime last year than probably every before. And the NYPD continues to remain the highest funded police force both on an absolute and a per capita basis by a favor of at least 2. Finally, next years budget already includes a further increase in the NYPD’s top line budget and neither of the possible remaining mayoral candidates (Adams or Garcia) have proposed reducing the budget. The idea that decisions about the NYPD have contributed to the increase in violent crime (which once again is nationwide) is not borne out by the actual changes that have been made.
dmos62 5y ago
This might be controversial, but as I see it there's a pretty unproductive view in US (moronic, if you will), that social problems are police problems. Police is literally the last line of defence, and not very effective at that.
- busterarm 5y ago
  It's nice of you to say that from San Francisco Bay, but there isn't a social program for every problem. As someone who grew up in the bad neighborhoods and has been face to face with criminality on the daily for most of my life, I'll let you in on a little secret. A lot of stickup boys do it because they like to. I know y'all folks are plenty smart, but stick to your lane. These places would make your head explode.
  - dmos62 5y ago
    Well at least they're enjoying what they're doing. I'm not sure what your point was. Edit: wow, you've made some pretty bold edits.
    - busterarm 5y ago
      Addressing your laughable claim that crime will go away if you throw money at social programs. Like I said, some people do it for fun. Some do it to follow their idols. Sure you can stop some of it, but arresting and incarcerating people _is_ an effective solution.
      - dmos62 5y ago
        You know, for what it's worth, I didn't mention social programs, or that the judicial system doesn't have its place.
    - busterarm 5y ago
      > Edit: wow, you've made some pretty bold edits. If the shoe fits and all. I'd love to get lectured about how crime works by somebody in an area with a $2695 median rent. Would you like me to tell you what it's like to be a child growing up in a neighborhood dying of crack addiction and AIDS? And while I'm being extroadinarily harsh, this is how tonedeaf big-city liberals come off telling us how they're gonna fix our neighborhoods.
addicted 5y ago
It’s pretty evident it has little to do with the actions of public officials, considering the rise in gun violence is nationwide. Also, some have tried to pin the rise in violent crime (overall crime is down) to cuts in budgets, but this doesn’t make sense considering that for all The talk the NYPD’s budget wasn’t only not cut, but in fact increased over this period of time. The rise in violent crime across the country, which is still a rise only relative to the historic lows it had reached in the years before the pandemic, likely has a lot more to do with the overall damage to the societal mental health and damages to communities due to the loss and grief experienced by so many over the past year or so. Also, the massive increase in guns over the past couple of years in itself would have led to a predictable rise in gun violence.
gurleen_s 5y ago
The NYPD costs $10 billion per year and yet crime is still rampant in NYC. Are we supposed to pretend that spending more money on them is going to fix the problem? If they can’t do the job with billions of dollars in hand, the next $20 billion won’t make it work. It’s about time we stop wasting taxpayer dollars on a bandaid for crime and start preventing it by alleviating the problems that cause crime- poverty, healthcare, etc.

leereeves 5y ago

Hasn't Eric Adams, the former police chief leading the race for mayor, promised to end that insanity? (And when are they going to finish counting those votes?)

busterarm 5y ago
Nobody knows who the hell Eric Adams is. Even here in NY. He _barely_ won his primary. My rep that I mentioned earlier is nationally the press' darling.
- addicted 5y ago
  The NYPD’s budget was “cut” to levels from 2 years ago to pre pandemic levels. The “cut” is also chimeric because the money to the NYPD was funneled through other avenues (for example, through the MTA, where Cuomo increased funding to the NYPD by getting the MTA to pay for NYPD presence in the subway funneling money to the NYPD without making it obvious at a time it wasn’t politically viable to increase police funding). That’s why headcount and the operational budget remained the same despite the “cut” and the fact that the NYPD officers received more overtime last year than probably every before. And the NYPD continues to remain the highest funded police force both on an absolute and a per capita basis by a favor of at least 2. Finally, next years budget already includes a further increase in the NYPD’s top line budget and neither of the possible remaining mayoral candidates (Adams or Garcia) have proposed reducing the budget. The idea that decisions about the NYPD have contributed to the increase in violent crime (which once again is nationwide) is not borne out by the actual changes that have been made.

dmos62 5y ago

This might be controversial, but as I see it there's a pretty unproductive view in US (moronic, if you will), that social problems are police problems. Police is literally the last line of defence, and not very effective at that.

busterarm 5y ago
It's nice of you to say that from San Francisco Bay, but there isn't a social program for every problem. As someone who grew up in the bad neighborhoods and has been face to face with criminality on the daily for most of my life, I'll let you in on a little secret. A lot of stickup boys do it because they like to. I know y'all folks are plenty smart, but stick to your lane. These places would make your head explode.
- dmos62 5y ago
  Well at least they're enjoying what they're doing. I'm not sure what your point was. Edit: wow, you've made some pretty bold edits.
  - busterarm 5y ago
    Addressing your laughable claim that crime will go away if you throw money at social programs. Like I said, some people do it for fun. Some do it to follow their idols. Sure you can stop some of it, but arresting and incarcerating people _is_ an effective solution.
    - dmos62 5y ago
      You know, for what it's worth, I didn't mention social programs, or that the judicial system doesn't have its place.
  - busterarm 5y ago
    > Edit: wow, you've made some pretty bold edits. If the shoe fits and all. I'd love to get lectured about how crime works by somebody in an area with a $2695 median rent. Would you like me to tell you what it's like to be a child growing up in a neighborhood dying of crack addiction and AIDS? And while I'm being extroadinarily harsh, this is how tonedeaf big-city liberals come off telling us how they're gonna fix our neighborhoods.

addicted 5y ago

It’s pretty evident it has little to do with the actions of public officials, considering the rise in gun violence is nationwide. Also, some have tried to pin the rise in violent crime (overall crime is down) to cuts in budgets, but this doesn’t make sense considering that for all The talk the NYPD’s budget wasn’t only not cut, but in fact increased over this period of time. The rise in violent crime across the country, which is still a rise only relative to the historic lows it had reached in the years before the pandemic, likely has a lot more to do with the overall damage to the societal mental health and damages to communities due to the loss and grief experienced by so many over the past year or so. Also, the massive increase in guns over the past couple of years in itself would have led to a predictable rise in gun violence.

gurleen_s 5y ago

The NYPD costs $10 billion per year and yet crime is still rampant in NYC. Are we supposed to pretend that spending more money on them is going to fix the problem? If they can’t do the job with billions of dollars in hand, the next $20 billion won’t make it work. It’s about time we stop wasting taxpayer dollars on a bandaid for crime and start preventing it by alleviating the problems that cause crime- poverty, healthcare, etc.