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I don't really understand why W11 has such a mobile focus when they aren't doing anything with it.

ehnto 5y ago
My guess is because it runs on tablets, which has a lot of the same UX concerns as mobile.
FooHentai 5y ago
Hopefully they don't intend to repeat the folly of trying to produce a single UI consistent across mobile and desktop. Perhaps one day we'll see some elegant magic that's usable across the spectrum from pocket to desk devices, but it would suck if it means any future generations of desktop OS dumbed down chasing (likely mythical) unification.
- johnwalkr 5y ago
  It's much better than Windows 10 in this regard. And it looks like in this video [1] there are some adaptive features when you use a touch interface. [1] https://www.windowscentral.com/check-out-windows-11-surface-pro-x https://www.windowscentral.com/check-out-windows-11-surface-...
- fsflover 5y ago
  > Perhaps one day we'll see some elegant magic that's usable across the spectrum from pocket to desk devices Here it is: https://puri.sm/posts/converging-on-convergence-pureos-is-convergent-welcome-to-the-future/ https://puri.sm/posts/converging-on-convergence-pureos-is-co...
- Cullinet 5y ago
  full W11 on the external screen, vm WM11 + apps on the device. I'd plain give up on getting revenues from consumer apps, and settle for the enterprise market, which is so poorly served, and so pent up with latent demand for business systems integration, I don't think that's a poor deal. edited auto correct cm > vm
johnwalkr 5y ago
I don't think it does. From reading through some of the history of this project, there is already years of work getting Windows 10 (not mobile) to work on a Windows phone, and there are a lot of applications and even a new shell to allow that. A lot of what is shown in the video is those applications, not bare W11. I've been using W11 for a week and most of the giant weird touch interfaces are gone.
dgellow 5y ago
Windows 11 doesn’t really have a mobile focus. It’s for desktop and tablets. Microsoft is pushing quite hard their 2-in-1 design with their surface series, and Windows 11 is really a great improvement for that kind of device. They may be great alternatives to iPads for some type of work if they continue in this direction.
- pjmlp 5y ago
  They are doing great on that area, around me when I see a tablet that isn't an iPad, it is most likely a 2-1. Samsung S tablets seem to be the only ones still standing in what concerns Android.
  - atatatat 5y ago
    Microsoft Surface/Surface Duo or similar will be the first truly convergent device.
    - Cullinet 5y ago
      I don't know how to articulate this, but I want a phone that suits its niche as well as the Surface fits my need for bringing VS and my administration tool chain around with me. I still think this is a software problem : something that OneNote with the ability to embed interfaces into it across notebooks to manage eg active directory issues and information protection policies, alongside the content and correspondence and the one press voice / video / screen sharing (notebook sharing ideally not my screen just the notebook I've opened for the issue please)
thunderbong 5y ago
I think that's because a lot of laptops are touch enabled. Also, Microsoft's own Surface line has detachable screens so that they can be both landscape and portrait oriented. I think a few other laptops also have the capability to use the touch screen exclusively.
- Cullinet 5y ago
  a friend is using a Dell detachable (I think that's the moniker) and brought it to show me the other weekend. Very robust construction and easily accessible memory and drives and the keyboard was good as well. This might be the one https://www.notebookcheck.net/Dell-Latitude-13-7320-Detachable-Review-A-Better-Microsoft-Surface-Pro-7.544543.0.html https://www.notebookcheck.net/Dell-Latitude-13-7320-Detachab... )
Cullinet 5y ago
compared with ten years ago, how much easier is it to manufacture a mobile phone? I'd very much prefer to use a vm phone subsystem hosted by W11, on a pocket sized device. Putting WM10 on Github and charging for app review and signing is the business model I want to see.

My guess is because it runs on tablets, which has a lot of the same UX concerns as mobile.

Hopefully they don't intend to repeat the folly of trying to produce a single UI consistent across mobile and desktop. Perhaps one day we'll see some elegant magic that's usable across the spectrum from pocket to desk devices, but it would suck if it means any future generations of desktop OS dumbed down chasing (likely mythical) unification.

johnwalkr 5y ago
It's much better than Windows 10 in this regard. And it looks like in this video [1] there are some adaptive features when you use a touch interface. [1] https://www.windowscentral.com/check-out-windows-11-surface-pro-x https://www.windowscentral.com/check-out-windows-11-surface-...
fsflover 5y ago
> Perhaps one day we'll see some elegant magic that's usable across the spectrum from pocket to desk devices Here it is: https://puri.sm/posts/converging-on-convergence-pureos-is-convergent-welcome-to-the-future/ https://puri.sm/posts/converging-on-convergence-pureos-is-co...
Cullinet 5y ago
full W11 on the external screen, vm WM11 + apps on the device. I'd plain give up on getting revenues from consumer apps, and settle for the enterprise market, which is so poorly served, and so pent up with latent demand for business systems integration, I don't think that's a poor deal. edited auto correct cm > vm

johnwalkr 5y ago

I don't think it does. From reading through some of the history of this project, there is already years of work getting Windows 10 (not mobile) to work on a Windows phone, and there are a lot of applications and even a new shell to allow that. A lot of what is shown in the video is those applications, not bare W11. I've been using W11 for a week and most of the giant weird touch interfaces are gone.

dgellow 5y ago

Windows 11 doesn’t really have a mobile focus. It’s for desktop and tablets. Microsoft is pushing quite hard their 2-in-1 design with their surface series, and Windows 11 is really a great improvement for that kind of device. They may be great alternatives to iPads for some type of work if they continue in this direction.

pjmlp 5y ago
They are doing great on that area, around me when I see a tablet that isn't an iPad, it is most likely a 2-1. Samsung S tablets seem to be the only ones still standing in what concerns Android.
- atatatat 5y ago
  Microsoft Surface/Surface Duo or similar will be the first truly convergent device.
  - Cullinet 5y ago
    I don't know how to articulate this, but I want a phone that suits its niche as well as the Surface fits my need for bringing VS and my administration tool chain around with me. I still think this is a software problem : something that OneNote with the ability to embed interfaces into it across notebooks to manage eg active directory issues and information protection policies, alongside the content and correspondence and the one press voice / video / screen sharing (notebook sharing ideally not my screen just the notebook I've opened for the issue please)

thunderbong 5y ago

I think that's because a lot of laptops are touch enabled. Also, Microsoft's own Surface line has detachable screens so that they can be both landscape and portrait oriented. I think a few other laptops also have the capability to use the touch screen exclusively.

Cullinet 5y ago
a friend is using a Dell detachable (I think that's the moniker) and brought it to show me the other weekend. Very robust construction and easily accessible memory and drives and the keyboard was good as well. This might be the one https://www.notebookcheck.net/Dell-Latitude-13-7320-Detachable-Review-A-Better-Microsoft-Surface-Pro-7.544543.0.html https://www.notebookcheck.net/Dell-Latitude-13-7320-Detachab... )

Cullinet 5y ago

compared with ten years ago, how much easier is it to manufacture a mobile phone? I'd very much prefer to use a vm phone subsystem hosted by W11, on a pocket sized device. Putting WM10 on Github and charging for app review and signing is the business model I want to see.